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  1. #161
    Unsub? There you go, fixed your issue. It literally has an option when you unsub to give a reason why.
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  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by MAGAForLife View Post
    Stop using the numerical time designator as an argument. The fact that it's '2019' is arbitrary. Also, if you can't afford $15, you need to rethink your priorities.

    edit: Think about it. As time goes on, money loses value, so you're actually paying less. Today's $15 was worth around $1200 in 2004. And in 1842? Today's $15 was worth a whopping 1.7 billion dollars!
    Not sure where you got $15 dollars now is equivalent to $1200 in 2004.

    Back in 2004, subscription was £7.99 per calendar month, in 2019 its the equivalent to £12.50. We currently pay £9.99 if you have previously cancelled your subscription, if you've never cancelled its still only £8.99.

    Paying £9.99 per month now is also the equivalent to paying £6.43 per month back in 2004 so your statement is just laughable.

  3. #163
    Prices aren't decided by some objective "how much is this really worth" kind of thinking.

    WoW costs 15 dollars, because Blizzard thinks that lowering the price wouldnt attract enough new customers to make up for loss from the price drop.
    Which, in my opinion, is true. WoW relies on a loyal/sunken cost fallacy based playerbase. And, at least in the 10-20 age group, I dont see a lot of people picking up their "dads" old video game.
    Chances are, you either pay for wow, because wow is the game you are playing.
    Or you have 0 interest in starting wow, no matter if its free or costs 5 10 or 15 dollars.
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  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by styil View Post
    Xbox's latest PC Pass has over 100 games on offer for a $4.99 a month subscription. Meanwhile Blizzard is still charging $14.99 a month for WoW. To rub salt into the wound, WoW's subscription prices have even gone up over the years in some regions.

    How can Blizzard justify these monthly subscription prices in 2019 when other gaming companies are providing much more for a far cheaper monthly subscription fee? Blizzard needs to provide much more at a lower subscription price if it wants to remain competitive in the 2019 gaming market. Blizzard is never going to get any new players at $14.99 a month when they can simply subscribe to cheaper options and get far more.
    It's something I've been arguing in the classic sub, where people are not only willing to pay the same crazy price for less services and development but actually advocating this to people as a good thing.....

  5. #165
    Here's the difference:

    I don't give a shit about any of those games on xbox pass, same goes for origin access and other sub-based single player game stores, so it doesn't matter the price points are lower. Why would I care that something I don't like is cheaper than something I like?

    Even if the sub price were to rise, I'd probably still continue paying, because of crazy number of hours of entertainment I get monthly out of it. As far as I'm concerned, the subf fee is a bargain for the fun I'm getting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eon Drache View Post
    $15 is also the price of 1 movie ticket. That's 2ish hours of entertainment in usually a bad seat.
    Also this. Some comparable things you can get for the sub fee just sound funny, if you compare it to like 100-150 hours a month of gameplay you can get.
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  6. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sliske View Post
    Because there isn't any other option for an MMO. If Xbox raises its price too high, people just go to Sony, who already are dominating the current generation of consoles.

    Xbox on the other hand have been the laughing stock of this generation - even Nintendo are releasing better exclusives.

    Now look at the MMO market. What do you have? WoW, FF ... maybe BDO, GW2 and ESO?

    So right off the bat, FF just looks and plays worse than WoW, which is i know hard to believe seeing as WoW is much older.

    BDO appeals to two kinds of people - east asians and weebs.

    GW2 has insane content drought and no traditional end game. Only people that play it are collectors/achievement hunters.

    ESO is a Bethesda style RPG which have died faster than blockbuster in a post Witcher 3 world. Their RPGs simply don't stand up anymore. They're still using bows and arrows while everyone else is firing lazer guns at them.

    On top of all of the above, lets look at the actual most important thing - perception. Hardly anyone even knows any of those games i listed exist. None besides WoW. Your parents know what WoW is. They probably don't even know what Final Fantasy is, let alone its MMO. The closest one in terms of sheer perception is ESO, but as ESO launched in such an abysmal state, it has become the same as pretty much every MMO besides WoW - a game attempting to climb out of a hole.

    Don't know what i mean? Lets have a look through the years.

    WoW - launches to enormous success.
    Aion - launches to immediate poor reception, likely closed?
    GW2 - launches to immediate poor reception, is now massively overhauled and has a somewhat decent endgame, but who is around to play it?
    Wildstar - launches to immediate poor reception, is now closed.
    ESO - launches to immediate poor reception, is in the same state as GW2.
    FF - same as GW2 and ESO.
    BDO - same as GW2, ESO and FF.
    SWTOR - same as GW2, ESO, FF and BDO.

    If theres one thing that is a near guaranteed thing, its that a product almost never gets a comeback story. Nobody cares that Heroes of the Storm right now is a great game. Nobody cares that Heart of the Swarm got balanced and is not just cheese now. No one cares that Halo got better after its low point.

    It takes extreme amounts of marketing and overhaul in order to revitalize a product. An example of this is Resident Evil. Most people would say Resident Evil was dead after the 5th game. It just became a shitty action game - zero horror. Now its back and better than ever and YOU know about it, because they marketed the fuck out of it.

    Who is going to give a marketing budget to BDO or SWTOR or ESO? No one. No one cares if they're good or bad. People *think* they are bad and thats that.

    So, all of this is a round about way of saying - WoW can milk your wallet because it has a monopoly. If you aren't playing WoW, you aren't playing MMOs.
    You're forgetting LotRO and Anarchy Online, which fit right in with your list, but most importantly, the most advanced MMO ever and launched before WoW, in 2003, and that is EVE. It's just too hardcore and actually requires thinking, so it's not AS populated.
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  7. #167
    That 14.99$ is dropping in value every year, since they have never increased the fee.

    Base on inflation, the 14.99$ right now means 18.67$ back in 2006.

    So the sub is 25% less than it was at launch.

  8. #168
    I haven't spent a dime on WoW since they released WoW tokens.

    Last I checked, Xbox does not have any way to earn your subscription from simply playing their games.

    Therefore, Xbox sucks.

  9. #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuji V2 View Post
    Because it's Blizzard, Activision-Blizzard mind you. Don't expect this to change anytime soon. Microsoft wants to pave the way as an innovator, Blizzard rather wanna milk their customer base.
    lol What has "Activision-Blizzard got to do with any of this. the merger was 9 years ago! wow was still $15.00 per month before the merger.


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    To op your not playing xbox for 6 hours a day your playing wow and there are other options to earn in the game to pay for your time so just do that if you can't/or won't pay $15.00. Also it hasn't gotten to expensive in other regions I remember when we couldn't use a card online here in Australia and had to buy two month cards at $40.00 we now pay $16.50 which is affordable for you're "main game"

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by lappee View Post
    What you found the post to be doesn't remove the fact that it is a way of changing peoples minds, whether its about changing consumer mind about purchasing it or the companys mind about pricing is irrelevant as is the matter of intent.

    Simply if it wasn't a fact you could show it to be false, but you can't. You have your own view on it, and while that view doesn't directly support the fact it also doesn't disprove it in any way. So yeah, I'm careful with facts.
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  11. #171
    With the game decreasing in popularity, it wouldn't surprise me if they went free-to-play either next expansion or the one after.

    Not only would it likely attract more people, but they'd also likely INCREASE their income by removing it and adding a more diverse shop in its place.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Unsub? There you go, fixed your issue. It literally has an option when you unsub to give a reason why.
    I'm amazed that grown adults have to ask here whether they should unsub or not. :P
    One would think it should be based off a personal opinion. You enjoy it...stay subbed. You don't enjoy it, either unsub or stop whining and do something else.
    Players can check wowhead, ptrs..etc to see if the new expac/patch is to their liking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    With the game decreasing in popularity, it wouldn't surprise me if they went free-to-play either next expansion or the one after.

    Not only would it likely attract more people, but they'd also likely INCREASE their income by removing it and adding a more diverse shop in its place.
    Statistics show that FTP models with microtransactions make more than PTP games. I'm sure making wow ftp has been talked about at blizzvision.
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  13. #173
    I pad $15 for Ultima Online if I remember correctly, and that was years before wow.

  14. #174
    $15/mo is totally fine by me as long as it keeps it from becoming a P2W game.

    Honestly it's not that much money for a game that has remained pretty damn good for 15 years.

    It might just be my preference in games, but the games offered in Xbox PC Pass are not going to keep me occupied as much as WoW does, and most of them are games I might play through once, if I even finish it, and be done with it forever.

    WoW is a different game. I don't think it's fair to compare it to a game service like that.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by HitRefresh View Post
    $15/mo is totally fine by me as long as it keeps it from becoming a P2W game.

    Honestly it's not that much money for a game that has remained pretty damn good for 15 years.

    It might just be my preference in games, but the games offered in Xbox PC Pass are not going to keep me occupied as much as WoW does, and most of them are games I might play through once, if I even finish it, and be done with it forever.

    WoW is a different game. I don't think it's fair to compare it to a game service like that.
    It pretty much is P2W, and the game hasn't been good for a few expansions now..

  16. #176
    If you take into account inflation, the subscription price actually went down by about 40% compared to launch.
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  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by styil View Post
    Xbox's latest PC Pass has over 100 games on offer for a $4.99 a month subscription. Meanwhile Blizzard is still charging $14.99 a month for WoW. To rub salt into the wound, WoW's subscription prices have even gone up over the years in some regions.

    How can Blizzard justify these monthly subscription prices in 2019 when other gaming companies are providing much more for a far cheaper monthly subscription fee? Blizzard needs to provide much more at a lower subscription price if it wants to remain competitive in the 2019 gaming market. Blizzard is never going to get any new players at $14.99 a month when they can simply subscribe to cheaper options and get far more.
    Does Blizzard also sell a 200-400 dollar console? Does Blizzard offer countless games that SOMEONE has an interest in? Does Blizzard also produce an operating system that is installed on a vast majority of home and business computers? No? Then it makes sense. Microsoft has a considerably larger potential buyer-base than Blizzard does, and thus, they can eat the costs of a $5 subscription game service. It's extremely logical.

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    Reminds me of good old days of Chinese games for sega in Russia, when you could buy a mortal kombat 3, or a "1000 games in 1!" cartridge for the same cost. Except those "1000 games in 1!" usually were glorified tetris reskins
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  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by darklogrus View Post
    It pretty much is P2W, and the game hasn't been good for a few expansions now..
    In what reality is WoW even remotely Pay to Win? If you do even the most modest amount of content, you have more than enough resources to pay for your consumables, and the gear you can get in the auction house is extremely limited.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Neuroticaine View Post
    Does Blizzard also sell a 200-400 dollar console? Does Blizzard offer countless games that SOMEONE has an interest in? Does Blizzard also produce an operating system that is installed on a vast majority of home and business computers? No? Then it makes sense. Microsoft has a considerably larger potential buyer-base than Blizzard does, and thus, they can eat the costs of a $5 subscription game service. It's extremely logical.
    What benefit would they be getting from eating said cost?
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