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  1. #61
    On the topic of Discord. How do you even find good groups and channels?
    There is nothing indexed in search engines. The Discord search in itself sucks. I'm not sure why it's that popular. Boggles my mind. Seriously, it's a weird mix of forum stickies, IRC and teamspeak in the most confusing way possible and nothing expect some stickies, which could be also done in a forum has any relevance for more than 5 minutes.
    I just don't see the advantages other than it's free and easy to setup.

    On shadow priests, nothing beats the TBC version of shadow priest. Absolutely nothing. It was perfection in PvE.

  2. #62
    Slightly off topic, but discord is nice for a multitude of reasons.
    • Pins - Easy to find information that is stickied
    • Text Chat - Generally there are people online in discord and you can get your answer quite quickly, within in seconds.
    • Voice Chat - While not necessarily used in class discords, it's great for guilds, why have a separate voice chat program when you can use the same one your class info is at?
    • Discord Bots - Some questions get answered repeatedly, something that has been a problem with every medium, since well, forever. Discord bots can be given custom commands where a user can input one and have the bot spit out info for it, we use them in the priest discord often.

    I understand the hesitance for using discord, but also understand that the majority of class discords also have a website that pairs with them. If they don't there is also wowhead/icy veins to serve as general guides, which is a good starting point for most players. Class discords exist to help players who have specific questions they either can't find the answer to, or they need a quick answer then and there.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    only problem with that is how long it will take to get to that point. 2020 is a retail year, so 2021 before BC if it happens at all.
    Some of us don't care about retail. Like, at all. I know once new expansion comes out, it will beat Classic WoW in terms of most streamed game for a few weeks, and retail fanboys will be like all over again, "Oh look, Classic is dead!!! Retail has more viewers on Twitch now!!!". Well duh, an expansion just launched, and there's always massive hype behind these things. It's bound to take the spotlight at least for a little while. Once the hype dies down, however, Classic will be back on top again.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by enzi View Post

    On shadow priests, nothing beats the TBC version of shadow priest. Absolutely nothing. It was perfection in PvE.
    How can one like TBC Shadow, but not WotLK and Cata? They are direct evolutions of the TBC Shadow design. Same spells, same playstyle. Cata SP was still the same thing as TBC Shadow, just with a few new spells on top (Mind Sear/Dispersion/baseline DP added in WotLK, Dark Archangel/Mind Spike in Cata).
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by ThrashMetalFtw View Post
    How can one like TBC Shadow, but not WotLK and Cata? They are direct evolutions of the TBC Shadow design. Same spells, same playstyle. Cata SP was still the same thing as TBC Shadow, just with a few new spells on top (Mind Sear/Dispersion/baseline DP added in WotLK, Dark Archangel/Mind Spike in Cata).
    I enjoyed the way shadow played for the most part all the way until MoP, where I think it started to unravel a bit. It's hard to say exactly why, but I feel like MoP was the beginning of the end in terms of my level of enjoyment playing the spec.

    As to why I feel TBC was the best version of shadow, it essentially boils down to how valued I felt in a group setting. People begged me to join their group, and they talked about how great it was to have a shadowpriest with them. Those were the most fun times for me, when I joined a group and everyone seemed grateful to have me.

    In general, I would prefer that Blizzard go back to that sort of class/game design. I'm aware some people hate it, but that's the version/type of the game that I like the best. Different strokes for different folks.
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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Kilee25 View Post
    As to why I feel TBC was the best version of shadow, it essentially boils down to how valued I felt in a group setting. People begged me to join their group, and they talked about how great it was to have a shadowpriest with them. Those were the most fun times for me, when I joined a group and everyone seemed grateful to have me.
    Exactly that!
    Shadow priest as mana battery for the group, with an exact ratio of damage to mana was the most fun idea for the spec anyone at Blizzard ever came up with.
    BC fights were long, upwards of 20 minutes. On Illidan we had 1 group with 2 shadows and those who went oom were switched to that group for a while. Fun and mana for everyone involved. Was it overpowered and essential for raiding? Absolutely! Was it a problem? I don't think so. We were used to having certain specs/classes as requirement and this rule still applies even today after all the "balancing", so I feel like we only lost something and gained nothing in return.

    With WOTLK the whole paradigm switched to, bring the player not the class and they merged everything into garbage buffs that were the same. I stopped playing SP before Wotlk and was on my druid till Pandaria were I tried SP again, but mained my rogue because SP was just a shitty mage with worse healing than other DPS specs. SP had lost all meaning by then and it gained nothing cool from BC till Draenor.
    But don't get me started on Surrender to madness, which was a fun time again but got butchered, by Mr. "no fun allowed".

    Mind Spike is such an uninspired spell and it even made Mind Blast worse because of it.
    Mind Sear was an answer to every class crying for burst AoE and Blizz caving in. In classic and BC only a few classes got that privilege.
    Dispersion was an answer to the heavy burst damage that got introduced in Wotlk. Shadowpriest was supposed to be tanky but lost that from classic to Wotlk. Shadowpriests, especially with support CC in PvP were hard to kill.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Kilee25 View Post

    As to why I feel TBC was the best version of shadow, it essentially boils down to how valued I felt in a group setting. People begged me to join their group, and they talked about how great it was to have a shadowpriest with them. Those were the most fun times for me, when I joined a group and everyone seemed grateful to have me.
    Shadowpriests in TBC were a mana-user's best friend.



  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Flay- View Post
    Shadowpriests in TBC were a mana-user's best friend.
    They were, and they built upon this in WotLK - WotLK was the best of literally ALL worlds. Hybrids put out decent DPS, and brought a TON of stuff to the raid.

    Now? Whew. Here's hoping they go back to Shadow's roots, much like they're doing with Balance Druids. I can't wait to see Insanity and Void Form GONE

  9. #69
    Definitely. Ulduir was probably the best time I ever had raiding.



  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by ThrashMetalFtw View Post
    How can one like TBC Shadow, but not WotLK and Cata? They are direct evolutions of the TBC Shadow design. Same spells, same playstyle. Cata SP was still the same thing as TBC Shadow, just with a few new spells on top (Mind Sear/Dispersion/baseline DP added in WotLK, Dark Archangel/Mind Spike in Cata).
    Utility was more fun than small mechanical changes in WotLK, but both were fine

    Nothing was good in Cata. Cata was fucking dogshit on every single level.

  11. #71
    Shadow since Legion has been a massive disappointment.

    I was "hardcore" (only like US top 20 type quality) from vanilla through first tier of wod. I mained shadow in raids from Wrath-Naxx through my last day logged in.

    Since then I've dabbled with the game during legion and bfa. Currently, Im full on into Classic.

    I liked the "rythmic" feeling shadow had for years. I liked in wrath how our play wasnt a rotation but one of the first non repeating priorit systems (Back when dot length was variable based on haste). I'd sit in class and day dream while pressing out 3 minutes of my rotation on a ghost keyboard on my desk.

    I like the period with 3 dots, DP on one target and SWP/VT on all. I liked when DP was a 6second dot that was applied by spending orbs. I liked when we had dark arch and had a 4set that allowed us to pump some single target burst dmg. I liked pooling my orbs for a burst. I liked dotting up the mob, keeping MB/SWD on CD and clipping MF for dps gains.

    Insanity based shadow--isn't shadow. At least not to me. They've stripped Spriest of their gameplay identity and replaced it with what I can only describe as an uninspired unengaging spammy mess. I hear we rank well on meters--so I guess after 12 years of bitching we finally got that--but at what cost? The complete gameplay identity the spec carried from BC-Mop/Wod.

    I'd really like to come back and play Mythic Shadowlands as an Spriest. But given the choice between playing a boring unfun class in difficult raid content and playing a fun class in repeated content...I suppose I'd rather enjoy pressing my buttons. Then again, CTBC is odds on going to be a totally nerfed version in 2.4.3.

    The introduction of insanity was the final nail in the coffin, but the removal of Dot Snapshotting and prior to that the hit stat (If there is one thing Classic itemization has revealed, it's "Negative Stats" create interesting choices) really rubbed me the wrong way and made playing the game a whole lot less engaging.

    And to top it all off, I came back to be casual like end of legion early BFA and as others pointed out Shadowpriest.com was gone, How2priest was gone. Its a different game now.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by marathal View Post
    Of course I miss the old Shadowpriest days, but what I mean is I miss the old days of forum activity, I miss that desire to log into SP.com to read up on Kilee's discussion thread, the days when I would go read Elitist Jerks, would come here to find answers, even WoW's forums. Things change I guess, it's a different game than when many of us started playing. I'm still around even though I mostly lurk.

    Any good impressions of what is coming, or where they may look to design us in the future?
    So you miss the old internet? Very little to do with WoW, conversation culture has evolved. If you want to discuss things, you need to go where the conversation is nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon View Post
    So you miss the old internet? Very little to do with WoW, conversation culture has evolved. If you want to discuss things, you need to go where the conversation is nowadays.
    Sorry, I tried going over to read Reddit. It's a scary place. I'm happy hanging out here with my 2400/9600 modem connection logged in through Prodigy.

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