Nvidia SUPER Range.

[coprax]

The only card that looks like a sensible upgrade to me is the 2060 because 8GB is where it should have been at from the start.

[Ahovv]

The only card that looks like a sensible upgrade to me is the 2060 because 8GB is where it should have been at from the start.

Sure, but it's still in weird niche territory. Perhaps the super version can reliably run 1440p, who knows.

I know I'd hate having a card where I often have to test ultra, see it's dropping to the 50s and then have to go in and tweak settings a lot. I had that a lot with my previous GPU, so I set my goals properly with a GTX 1080 so I never have to do that.

[Ianus]

yeah they sure priced 5700 accordingly ...


"I'll buy AMD even if its the same/worse, that'll show Nvidia !"

Did you actually saw what "SUPER" means hehe cutting 15% of price lol.. you should be Grateful to AMD.. nvidia fangay..i was fanboi too but some things are undefensible..

[Kagthul]

Point is, the product stack didn't change at all.

lolwut?

GTX 1050 Launch MSRP: 119$ --- GTX 1650 Launch MSRP: 149$ (But there is no 1650Ti)
GTX 1050Ti Launch MSRP: 139$ --- GTX 1650 Launch MSRP: 149$ (only a 10$ hike for this performance category; entirely attrib. to RAM pricing)
GTX 1060 3GB Launch MSRP: 199$ --- GTX 1660 Launch MSRP: 219$ (only a 20$ hike for this performance category; entirely attrib. to RAM pricing)
GTX 1060 6GB Launch MSRP: 249$ --- GTX 1660Ti Launch MSRP: 279$ (and almost no cards were avail. at MSRP, most were 270 so the affective cost here in a wash)
GTX 1070 Launch MSRP: 379$ --- RTX 2060 Launch MSRP: 349$ (actually cheaper)
GTX 1080 Launch MSRP: 499$ --- RTX 2070 Launch MSRP: 499$ (same price)
GTX 1080Ti Launch MSRP: 699$ --- RTX 2080 Launch MSRP: 699$ (same price)
GTX Titan X/Xp Launch MSRP: 1200$ --- RTX 2080Ti Launch MSRP: 1200$. (same price).

They just bumped up all prices a notch because of a combination of external reasons (the crypto boom, bloated production of 10 serie, keeping 20 serie price high to make the 10 sell) and the fact there's not much competition if not on the low-mid segment (which moves more units but is less visible).

Except... they really didn't. The 2060 was even CHEAPER than the product it replaced.

What replaces what is completely irrelevant.

uh... wat?

You're whinging (and yes, i meant whinging, not whining) about "they raised the prices..."

except they didn't.

You cant compare the product in position X in the first product stack against the product in position Y on the next stack and then complain the price went up.

You compare a product with its replacement. The card in X portion of the stack cost (A) amount in the previous generation, and the card in the X position in the new generation is... (A) amount or damn close, with price increases being 10-20 bucks in most cases and easily attributable to manufacturing costs increasing.

It's just a crap move for customers that will have to buy a lower tier card due to inflated prices while not gaining anything meaningful in performance.

.... wut?

The 1650 beats the pants off of the 1050Ti (but still isnt worth buying, with the RX 570 being so damn cheap)
The 1660 trounces the GTX 1060 3GB
The 1660Ti beats the 1060 6GB handily.
The 2060 beats the 1070.
The 2070 is where it starts to lose momentum, with the 2070 only being ~8-10% faster than the 2080
The 2080 is the same speed as the 2080Ti (and the same price)
The 2080Ti crushes the 2080Ti and Titan Xp (as those two cards were actually nearly identical in performance to one another).

Most of the stack is a solid move forward over the previous card.

What it wasn't, and what most people seem to be whining about, is a big enough increase to merit an upgrade from the 10 series.

Thing is, this is entirely normal.

Prior to the big jumps from the 7-9 series and the 9-10 series, the rule was basically that when a new product stack released, the new Halo and Enthusiast cards would be significantly more powerful than their predecessors, and then everything else would basically move down one step...

E.G. - The GTX 770 was analogous to the GTX 680 in performance.

Prior to the 9 and 10 series jumps, it was the norm for there to only be performance increases at the top two, MAYBE 3 SKUs, and only the top 2 to be large. For the better part of a decade!

The only reason the 9 series and 10 series jumps happened was due to die-shrinks and an entirely new architecture COMBINED with an additional die shrink.

So, the 16/20 series simply put us back to normal, where the only real "performance gains" are at the top, with everything else just shifting down one product segment.

This... is not actually a bad thing, from a consumer perspective and i wonder why it makes people so angry. It means that if you invested in a good mainstream or better card, you basically get to get more out of your investment as you dont have to upgrade every generation and can afford to skip a generation or even two before you upgrade!

[Thunderball]

RAM pricing

I'm sorry? 12 Gb/s GDDR6 is cheaper now than 8 Gb/s GDDR5 was when 10 series launched.

[Granyala]

GTX 1070 Launch MSRP: 379$

ON PAPER .. yo.
In reality, I nabbed a 1070 OC @ 485€ in Nov 16 and it was a friggin bargain.

[Thunderball]

ON PAPER .. yo.
In reality, I nabbed a 1070 OC @ 485€ in Nov 16 and it was a friggin bargain.

Not too bad

MSI GeForce GTX1070 Gaming X 8G 8GB 444,54 €