It's funny how the left is calling for all of this censorship and banning speech they don't like and crying just as soon as it happens to them. The whole reason for free speech is so that the government can't control your speech and yet a lot of these leftists today are trying to give that power to not only the government, but also corporations. Sure let's let ATT etc decide what bigotry is and when BLM starts getting oppressed it'll be AMG BOYCOTT or when trans activists shouting "die cis scum" get action taken AMG BOYCOTT!
It's just like how I love how people are up in arms about the Pelosi Facebook issue and yet how many fake videos on Trump are circulated DAILY and nothing is done or said? Nope they believe them meanwhile nobody thought the Pelosi video was real.
The right are the ones trying to get the government involved right now, that's the problem.
Corporations should have the power to censor on their property, just like all other private property owners.
As for the Pelosi video, people did think it was real, because they are gullible idiots. My mother happened to be one of those idiots.
Well I mean, I am too lazy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I also don't have any idea of what I'd do for a website. Just have a random wordpress website floating around out there with a bbpress forum and say have fun? I mean..sure, I'd never check it because idgaf.
So unless I do what you say I don't really care? Nah.If you really cared about not censoring, you would have...
Did you do some googling to come to that conclusion because I don't recall saying anything that would have alluded to my belief that "there's plenty of people who would love to go to that site". I also don't recall saying "I want it badly". I also don't believe we are talking about future websites we are talking about current website censoring.Apparently, there's plenty of people who would love to go to that site you want so badly, so make it.
And I'm free voice my uncensored opinion so you're rightLuckily, they own their own websites, and can run them how they see fit. Freedom is fucking awesome.
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There's plenty of you guys saying you want the government to control everything, and force these people to platform all speech, so clearly you guys want a free-for-all. It seems like a great opportunity for you to make money.
That way, you can leave other companies alone, and have your paradise.
It's a shame you are actually opposing freedom on this one.
I certainly didn't say anything about the gubment but I would think that what I want is the opposite. No one with control over what people can say.
Opposing the freedom of people trying to oppose my freedom to say what I want lolIt's a shame you are actually opposing freedom on this one.
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No, they should do whatever they believe is the most profitable. They are private companies, after all. People really need to mature about hate speech. Don't like it? Suck it up and move on.
Youtube, facebook, Twitter ect all however feed into the vast yawning chasm of data collection of the NSA. The idea that these apps aren't themselves appendages of the security state is pretty much laughable. They are hardly "Private" enterprises anymore.
Moreover, if they are making editorial decisions about content, they are not "Platforms" in a traditional sense, but publishers instead.
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They're as private as any business is. Trying to claim they're a branch of the NSA is just ridiculous nonsense.
This is a claim that's been often repeated but has no basis in reality whatsoever. There is no source for this claim; it was made up and people are expected to swallow it whole without asking why.Moreover, if they are making editorial decisions about content, they are not "Platforms" in a traditional sense, but publishers instead.
Then you should be outraged that this site doesn't host explicit porn, or that a Christian website doesn't advertise gay porn or pro-ISIS propaganda. If you only care about censorship, then you are saying you want to force those sites to host that content against their will.
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You keep spreading that lie, it's been debunked numerous times over the last two days. You know this, so your continued attempts at repeating it mean you are a disingenuous liar.
Please show us the law that defines them as platforms.
I'd rather all my porn be on xvideos because that's where my playlist is at. Even when I can't find anything to watch on xvideos I'll tend to stay there vs going to pornhub or xhamster because if I find something I like on another website I can't add it to my xvideos playlist
Never been to one, I don't know that they don't.or that a Christian website doesn't advertise gay porn or pro-ISIS propaganda.
I don't know that they don't want to host that content. I don't know if ISIS propaganda is legal or not, I'd assume it is. I think the only illegal content to view is ChildPorn though I believe some states have beastiality laws, don't remember.If you only care about censorship, then you are saying you want to force those sites to host that content against their will.
I'd like to inform you that you're going to be wasting your time trying to guilt trip me.
Oh but Drusin, what if they host revenge rape videos and videos of cats getting their heads exploded with M80s?
Don't care, I don't like the content but that doesn't mean I want the content to be gone.
I don't like any censorship but all I can do is voice my opinion and vote. I'm no militant censorship activist.
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@Theodarzna @Machismo
The platform or publisher debate has been heating up over the past five years or so. The US uses a two book model, so it isn't enough to look at just what laws appear to say (book 1 -- the law as written). One must also look at how courts have interpreted those laws through their decisions (book 2 -- case law), with special attention to how binding a case is (Federal case but different circuit for example). In both situations, discussion about intent or what the state of the law should be may also play a role.
Westlaw and Shepard's are probably overkill for forum posting, but I suggest checking Findlaw as a reasonable start. Here's one of their attempts to lay things out in broad strokes: https://technology.findlaw.com/moder...sites-and.html
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Acting upon those things TOWARDS others is a whole different story
Except those laws have been beaten to death, and shows that they are not liable for what other people post. That's it, there is no "platform versus publisher" debate, because it's not actually a thing at all.
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You are dodging, because you know your stance is absurd. The fact that you refuse to address it directly makes my point for me.
See, you keep saying what those sites want to do,m when you specifically are saying you want to force them to not do what they want.
It's not about guilt tripping you, it's about proving you to be a hypocrite, which I just did.
@Machismo I think I'll go with Findlaw on this one.
But what are the legal obligations that arise out of the use of social networks, both for the user and the sites themselves? The law in this area is still relatively unsettled and constantly changing, but some recent developments have created intriguing precedent, and legislation in motion promises to keep things interesting for the foreseeable future.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
And that has already been covered... it's still not a platform versus publisher thing, that's the fucking point. The obligations are specifically listed in the law itself.
Do you know what is not mentioned? anything about a "platform."
Great, you should go with Findlaw, because they don't push the platform versus publisher bullshit.