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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Define "consciousness". More than one species passes the mirror test and has developed meta cognition.



    Cats aren't thought to pass the mirror test but this one definitely knows that's her in the mirror.
    Lol! She sure does. Cute video.

    I think animals are a lot smarter and aware of things much more than some give them credit. When defining consciousnesses, humans are naturally going to try to do it from our perspective.
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    The universe is big enough for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Good point and it is not just you. Science is a great tool for humans, but it has it's limitations.
    What limitations exactly besides needing time to figure out things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    The universe is big enough for everyone.



    What limitations exactly besides needing time to figure out things?
    Things which seem to defy the known physical laws. Science can attempt to explain it only by using known physical laws they have measured and observed. Beyond those, they are lost. Guessing is all they can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Things which seem to defy the known physical laws. Science can attempt to explain it only by using known physical laws they have measured and observed. Beyond those, they are lost. Guessing is all they can do.
    The known physical laws.
    It's how it works. Science now understands far more than it did 100 years ago.
    Given time it will solve these "things that defy physics".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    The known physical laws.
    It's how it works. Science now understands far more than it did 100 years ago.
    Given time it will solve these "things that defy physics".
    Sure it has. Which is why I said it was a great tool for mankind. But solve all the mysteries we have in the universe? Na. Not even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Sure it has. Which is why I said it was a great tool for mankind. But solve all the mysteries we have in the universe? Na. Not even close.
    Seems you know something we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    Seems you know something we don't.
    I might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaexion Ramza Beoulve View Post
    We aren't killing the planet, we're only making it cringe. We're killing ourselves...the planet will recover fine.

    Since the implementation of flight we've covered little over a century. In that time we've developed cellphones and microwaved burritos...so be patient eh?

    It's been 100,000 some odd years since we discovered fire, 20,00 since we developed soap, and we spent a couple of millennia without writing or farming, and several centuries committing mass genocides and continental war. So...try to have some perspective.
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    I can highly recommend a YouTube channel known as Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur which deals with the issues discussed here (and much more besides), including how to survive the end of the universe. (And colonising the sun, but that was more a thought experiment as a result of a challenge by followers of the channel.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    I think that the fact that we haven't been wiped out yet signals that they're giving us a chance to un-fuck ourselves out of our self-destructive behavior.

    Of course there's the possibility that no one knows we exist yet but in my opinion that possibility is overall quite small.
    to be fair we have been sending signals for what 100-200years max ?
    those signals of ours havent even reached that far yet, wait another 10000 and then we can see if nobody encountert our signals

    considering our own galaxy is 52 000 light years big roughly we could just be in a little corner with no live

    same deal if a civilization is our level right now on the other side of the milky way, its gonna be a few thousend years before we ever pick that up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    You didn't. My first paragraph implied it, that's why I added the second.
    Gotcha - have to love how unclear written-only communication can be sometimes.

    Thoughts on getting back to the moon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Gotcha - have to love how unclear written-only communication can be sometimes.

    Thoughts on getting back to the moon?
    Oh, we absolutely should. And then even further. We may or may not wreck this planet completely, but we should be looking for whatever is out there. And if we are doing interplanetary stuff regularly, it makes sense to have a launch station in lower gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Oh, we absolutely should. And then even further. We may or may not wreck this planet completely, but we should be looking for whatever is out there. And if we are doing interplanetary stuff regularly, it makes sense to have a launch station in lower gravity.
    Totally agreed. Moon. Mars. Titan (or whichever Saturn satellite is most "practical"). Alpha Centari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Totally agreed. Moon. Mars. Titan (or whichever Saturn satellite is most "practical"). Alpha Centari.
    Dibs on playing the Scottish chick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    A highly advanced, space faring species basically ensuring that we don't see the rest of the universe
    Ah, yes "Reapers". The immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim.
    Exploration is in our nature. We began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still. We have lingered long enough on the shores of the cosmic ocean. We are ready at last to set sail for the stars.

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    I think the biggest fraudulent manipulation is convincing some people that reality will only be figured out by science.

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    What if we are being sabotaged on purpose so that we don't leave the planet, progress slowed down due to backwards thinking until the apocalypse. Humans are puppets and we are easily manipulated when under educated.
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    Is it backwards thinking to apply moneyed interests to scientific progress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I think the biggest fraudulent manipulation is convincing some people that reality will only be figured out by science.
    AKA scientism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    What if we are being sabotaged on purpose so that we don't leave the planet, progress slowed down due to backwards thinking until the apocalypse. Humans are puppets and we are easily manipulated when under educated.
    IDK sounds kinda conspiratorial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    AKA scientism.

    IDK sounds kinda conspiratorial.
    Maybe, but things like religion are definitely keeping us from becoming so much more than what we could be. It would be a good idea for a book.
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