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    2019-2020 NBA Thread





    Welcome everyone to the 2019-2020 NBA Thread


    Where we discuss the 2019-2020 NBA season from the July Moratorium days of Free Agency, all the way to the NBA Finals of this season in June 2020, with all the news and all the games that go on in between.


    Thread Rules:

    There aren't many specific rules in this thread other than the normal forum rules that apply everywhere. We expect people to follow the spirit of the thread and the forum, mostly by respecting that every one has a favorite team and is entitled to cheer for them. Some banter is fine, insulting and trolling is not.

    We also ask to keep the discussion largely centered around the current season and to leave in depth discussions about which team or player from yesteryear was better than which other team/player to threads made to discuss such a topic.



    Links to Previous Threads:

    2011-2014 NBA thread: Link
    2014-2015 NBA thread: Link
    2015-2017 NBA thread: Link
    2017-2018 NBA thread: Link
    2018-2019 NBA thread: Link

    Interesting things about the 2019-2020 season:


    This season will be the 74th season of the National Basketball Association.

    This season will be the Portland Trailblazers 50th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Los Angeles Clippers 50th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Sacramento Kings 70th season as a professional basketball organization.
    This season will be the Dallas Mavericks 40th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Memphis Grizzlies 25th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Toronto Raptors 25th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Cleveland Cavaliers 50th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Atlanta Hawks 70th season in the NBA.
    This season will be the Charlotte Hornets 30th season in the NBA.

    This season will be the Los Angeles Lakers 60th season in Los Angeles.
    This season will be the Sacramento Kings 35th season in Sacramento.

    This season will be the Golden State Warriors' first season at the new Chase Center in San Francisco


    The 2020 NBA All-Star Game will be played on February 16, 2020 in Chicago.



    2019-2020 NBA Finals winner odds:

    Warriors: +350

    Lakers: 5-1

    Bucks: 6-1

    Clippers: 8-1

    Raptors: 10-1

    Celtics: 10-1

    Rockets: 12-1

    76ers: 12-1

    Knicks: 20-1

    Nuggets: 20-1

    Thunder: 25-1

    Nets: 30-1

    Jazz: 30-1

    Trail Blazers: 30-1

    Mavericks: 50-1

    Spurs: 50-1

    Pelicans: 60-1

    Pacers: 100-1

    Magic: 100-1

    Hawks: 100-1

    Bulls: 100-1

    Kings: 100-1

    Grizzlies: 100-1

    Pistons: 300-1

    Hornets: 300-1

    Heat: 300-1

    Wizards: 300-1

    Cavaliers: 300-1

    Timberwolves: 300-1

    Suns: 300-1




    So what can we expect for the 2019-2020 season:


    June 29 — Last day for decisions on player, team and early termination options, unless individual contracts specify otherwise.

    June 30 — Last official day of 2018/19 league year; last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency.

    July 1 — Official start of 2019/20 league year; July moratorium begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.

    July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.

    July 13 — Last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents.

    July 15 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned first-round picks; those players become free agents on July 16 if not tendered.

    August ?? — The 2019-2020 NBA schedule will be released between first week of August and the second week of August.

    August 31 — Last day teams may waive players and apply the stretch provision to their 2019/20 salaries.

    September 5 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned second-round picks; those players become free agents on September 6 if not tendered.


    Late September (specific dates TBA) — Training camps open. Pre-season games are played.




    Some of the last posts in the previous thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Wasn't this Durant before he went to the warriors? Even had the "you the real mvp" line.
    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Yeah, and then he went and teamed up with the already best team and made burner accounts to shit talk people and kinda lost his likeability. Durant was amazing while still in OKC (though likely already with the same attitude, even if hidden).
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I thought Lebron was pretty good in that film with Amy Schumer and Jon Cena and Bill Hader. But he was playing himself.


    Lastly,


    We hope everyone that likes basketball will join us as we go on the journey to learn who will eventually follow last year's winners the Toronto Raptors as the 2019-2020 NBA Finals winners.

    Have at it, ladies and gentlemen!

    signed, the mods.

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    That 10-1 odds for Toronto gonna fluctuate hard based on where Kawhi goes. Also doesn't look like Vegas is giving in to the Mike Conley hype.

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    Man, my comment about Lebron's acting in Trainwreck being the last comment besides the closing message in the previous thread is........so sweet.

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    What's +350 odds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueobelisk View Post
    What's +350 odds?
    Bet $100 to get a $350 payout. The equivalent to 7/2 odds, which would make the Warriors the favorite.

    I'm not sure these odds are up-to-date. They look mostly on point with what I've seen, except I haven't seen the Warriors favored anywhere really. Most places have them at +750 (15/2) to +1000 (10/1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espo View Post
    Bet $100 to get a $350 payout. The equivalent to 7/2 odds, which would make the Warriors the favorite.

    I'm not sure these odds are up-to-date. They look mostly on point with what I've seen, except I haven't seen the Warriors favored anywhere really. Most places have them at +750 (15/2) to +1000 (10/1).
    I might have found odds that were made before it was confirmed that Klay tore his ACL or something. I didn;t actually check the date they were made.

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    Luka RoTY, as expected

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    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6...o-devin-booker

    Interesting Ringer article about the last time teams had a ton of cap space. As a Knicks fan, knowing that my franchise has never once balked at throwing cash at a short term hail mary, this terrifies me.

    Let's review their big free agent acquisitions since the millennium (excluding trades and extensions for those already on the team):

    Clarence Weatherspoon 2001 - 5 years 27 million. 31 year old undersized power forward who had been league average before the contract. Did nothing. Did not complete contract, waived after 4 years.
    Jerome James 2005 - 30 million over 5 years. Scored 223 points total over the life of his contract. Also waived before contract done
    Jared Jeffries 2006 - 30 million over 5 years. PER of 9 over next 4 years... enough said.
    Stoudemire 2010 - 5 years, 100 million. Bought out of his contract in the 5th year.
    Robin Lopez 2015 - 4 years... 54 million. I forgot about this beast. This contract, which had zero chance of working out... did not work out.
    Courtney Lee 2016 - 4 years, 48 million.
    Joakim Noah 2016 - 4 years, 72 million.
    Tim Hardaway Jr. 2017 - 4 years 71 million.

    I mean holy god. So much wasted $$$. Nothing of value, except a few players like Courtney Lee helped them get worse draft picks a couple times.

    Please Knicks... just stay out of free agency this year. Don't do it.
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    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

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    ^ Nah, let's pick up KD and Kawhi and everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueobelisk View Post
    ^ Nah, let's pick up KD and Kawhi and everyone.
    Those are the only two guys who are worth signing for them. Otherwise they should be trading the cap space for picks if possible (might be very hard to do given salary matching rules).

    And here's what kills me... the Knicks, because they always act rashly, stretched Noah in September in order to maximize cap space this year at the cost of the next two years, when there was no reason to do it that early. They could have waited until now, seen if there was an opportunity to spend the cash, and stretched him only if necessary, or used the expiring contract to facilitate a trade (trading him to a team that could stretch him to clear space themselves). Otherwise they could have eaten the big cap hit now and freed up 6 million for next year. They just randomly gave up flexibility that was costing them nothing, which is typical Knicks moronism. And now that AD is off the table and Durant is hurt, it does seem like having some flexibility for 2020 offseason might be a smart move. Oops. Well we're idiots so why should I be surprised. We just keep going all in on these incredibly low percentage plays (MAYBE WE GET ZION AND DURANT AND ANTHONY DAVIS!) and don't have any backup plan when they fail.
    Last edited by Scrod; 2019-06-26 at 03:15 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Metallourlante View Post
    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

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    Knicks considering signing Demarcus Cousins to a big one year deal. This is exactly the kind of smart, low risk transaction that the Knicks should be making, could really put them over the top... wait, how many games did they win last year? 17? How the fuck is adding gimpy, bad defender DeMarcus Cousins for 1 year going to help them?

    Best case: he sucks bad and destroys the team, they get just as good a draft pick as they would have without him. Collective hatred of Boogie is a bonding experience for the young Knicks that helps propel the team forward in 2020-21 when they've got Barrett, another high lottery pick, and Knox as an unproven talented young core.
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    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    Knicks considering signing Demarcus Cousins to a big one year deal. This is exactly the kind of smart, low risk transaction that the Knicks should be making, could really put them over the top... wait, how many games did they win last year? 17? How the fuck is adding gimpy, bad defender DeMarcus Cousins for 1 year going to help them?

    Best case: he sucks bad and destroys the team, they get just as good a draft pick as they would have without him. Collective hatred of Boogie is a bonding experience for the young Knicks that helps propel the team forward in 2020-21 when they've got Barrett, another high lottery pick, and Knox as an unproven talented young core.
    /starts humming Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    /starts humming Always Look on the Bright Side of Life
    Hahaha I know I'm so skeptical of the Knicks. What kills me is that you can see the mistakes coming. I think it's far more likely that this free agency period will kill the Knicks for the next 5 years than it is that they will vault into contention.

    The Knicks treat cap space like someone with a peanut allergy going to order dessert, hearing that they're out of chocolate cookies, and saying, "Oh well, I guess I'll just get the peanut ones."

    Ok... I will now stop venting until they actually screw up, sorry for hijacking the thread again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonus View Post
    Hahaha I know I'm so skeptical of the Knicks. What kills me is that you can see the mistakes coming. I think it's far more likely that this free agency period will kill the Knicks for the next 5 years than it is that they will vault into contention.

    The Knicks treat cap space like someone with a peanut allergy going to order dessert, hearing that they're out of chocolate cookies, and saying, "Oh well, I guess I'll just get the peanut ones."

    Ok... I will now stop venting until they actually screw up, sorry for hijacking the thread again.
    I'd be you if the Patriots and Celtics had terrible front offices, tbh.

    This Kemba to the Celtics thing has me all kinds of worried about what kind of contract they;re going to offer him and how much of a burden that contract will be in 2 or 3 years. But, Danny Ainge has proven he usually knows what he's doing, so trying to keep the faith. (I'm not blaming him for the Kyrie situation. That's just Kyrie being Kyrie.

    Honestly, if anything, I hope the Knicks at least avoid signing Kyrie, cause that's a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe if Durant comes too it works out, but Kyrie on his own, with a young core that needs to grow. Been there, done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    I'd be you if the Patriots and Celtics had terrible front offices, tbh.

    This Kemba to the Celtics thing has me all kinds of worried about what kind of contract they;re going to offer him and how much of a burden that contract will be in 2 or 3 years. But, Danny Ainge has proven he usually knows what he's doing, so trying to keep the faith. (I'm not blaming him for the Kyrie situation. That's just Kyrie being Kyrie.

    In contrast, just take a quick look at Kemba's twitter and tell me you don't fall in love with the guy.

    Honestly, if anything, I hope the Knicks at least avoid signing Kyrie, cause that's a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe if Durant comes too it works out, but Kyrie on his own, with a young core that needs to grow. Been there, done that.
    But there is some legit upside there. Ex-UConn (before they deleted their team) fan here: Kemba is the man. Sure, he's a 29 year old undersized guard, but he's the type of guy who will love playing in Boston for real stakes. He's basically the anti-Kyrie in that respect. He's a good player who has worked his ass off to get better every year.

    And you very obviously need what he can provide - he's a playmaker for a team that just lost most of its playmaking.

    Kyrie is on his way to Russell Westbrook status - the guy who could have won a lot more if he weren't such a selfish asshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metallourlante View Post
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    SO. MANY. RUMOURS.

    Just like in every other sport the smoke screens and bullshit are at a season high right now. Horford is going to Mystery Team. Horford is going to the Kings. Actually Horford's mystery team is actually the Celtics. No one seems to have any clue what;s going on for real.

    - - - Updated - - -

    First actual news of the day:

    "Breaking: The Trail Blazers and Damian Lillard have agreed to a 4-year, $196 million extension. (first reported by The Athletic, confirmed by ESPN)"

    Damian Lillard looking like he'll be a Blazer for life. Signed for the next 6 years now I believe.

    - - - Updated - - -

    "Once free agency opens at 6 PM ET, Brook Lopez is planning to sign a four-year, $52M deal to stay with the Milwaukee Bucks, league sources tell ESPN." - Woj

    - - - Updated - - -



    BOOM. SEISMIC change in the NBA landscape.

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    No. Way.

    I honestly don't think he'll be great though...It won't be like Nets would be contenders...and he's not even playing next season, right?

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