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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    This is the first time I’ve watched the actual incident. Ridiculous debate, Morris started what was worse than a flagrant foul, jokic hit back equally, and tbh pretty restrained. I expected a punch or something but it was a hard shoulder bump.
    Morris led with his shoulder, Jokic led with his shoulder. But Jokic's hit was harder and from behind. Anyone suggesting otherwise is simply ignoring the truth. The video speaks for itself. Jokic saw it coming and was staggered a few steps. He then ran up and laid out Morris from behind.


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    Arguing about textbook definition of words…
    Lol. There's no argument. The word legitimately has specific meaning when it comes to hits in sports. It literally originated as a football term for being hit from the side in which you're not looking. Blindsiding a player is outlawed in many sports because it exacerbates the potential for serious injury.

    The term has been co-opted outside of sports in a figurative sense to generally mean "caught unaware", though it's often debased to simply "caught by surprise", which is not the same thing. Jokic saw Morris coming and knew that there was going to be contact. He expected a take foul, but received an unwarranted hard foul by Morris. That foul was definitely an FF2 and Morris was properly ejected for it.

    But Jokic took a running start and blindsided Morris in return. Morally, I don't have a problem with it, because Morris sure as hell provoked it. But from the league's standpoint, it was still a blindside and that's too dangerous to allow.


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    Morris started it and his was worse.
    Whatever you want to tell yourself. The tape doesn't lie.

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    That moment where you realize that the Cavs, led by... uh... Kevin Love?... Ricky Rubio?... Collin Sexton have a better record than the Lakers led by LeBron, AD, and Westbrook and nine(?!?) players taking a veteran minimum contract this year.

    Also, remember when the Cavs offered Kevin Love that $120m 4-year contract extension and everyone thought it was a really good deal for the Cavs to lock down that top-tier talent?

    No, neither do I.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Morris led with his shoulder, Jokic led with his shoulder. But Jokic's hit was harder and from behind. Anyone suggesting otherwise is simply ignoring the truth. The video speaks for itself. Jokic saw it coming and was staggered a few steps. He then ran up and laid out Morris from behind.



    Lol. There's no argument. The word legitimately has specific meaning when it comes to hits in sports. It literally originated as a football term for being hit from the side in which you're not looking. Blindsiding a player is outlawed in many sports because it exacerbates the potential for serious injury.

    The term has been co-opted outside of sports in a figurative sense to generally mean "caught unaware", though it's often debased to simply "caught by surprise", which is not the same thing. Jokic saw Morris coming and knew that there was going to be contact. He expected a take foul, but received an unwarranted hard foul by Morris. That foul was definitely an FF2 and Morris was properly ejected for it.

    But Jokic took a running start and blindsided Morris in return. Morally, I don't have a problem with it, because Morris sure as hell provoked it. But from the league's standpoint, it was still a blindside and that's too dangerous to allow.



    Whatever you want to tell yourself. The tape doesn't lie.

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    That moment where you realize that the Cavs, led by... uh... Kevin Love?... Ricky Rubio?... Collin Sexton have a better record than the Lakers led by LeBron, AD, and Westbrook and nine(?!?) players taking a veteran minimum contract this year.

    Also, remember when the Cavs offered Kevin Love that $120m 4-year contract extension and everyone thought it was a really good deal for the Cavs to lock down that top-tier talent?

    No, neither do I.
    It's more Rubio than Sexton, he's been really good. Love was a great player, he'd be pretty great as a role player somewhere, but his team leading days are years behind him.

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    Well, now we have a fracas in the Pacers/Jazz game. Gobert and Turner going at it, but nothing as serious as the Morris/Jokic incident.

    EDIT: Two technicals, four ejections: Turner, Gobert, Mitchell, and Ingles.
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    I think in general the league is still hostile and unaccepting of foreign players, especially if they are better than 99% of the league (cough Doncic had multiple issues, his 2 playoff series against Clippers, not to mention the Bitch ass white boy comment)

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    To be fair, Doncic might just be a guy now that the James Harden Rule is in effect. He's approaching Westbrookian shooting numbers this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Morris led with his shoulder, Jokic led with his shoulder. But Jokic's hit was harder and from behind. Anyone suggesting otherwise is simply ignoring the truth. The video speaks for itself. Jokic saw it coming and was staggered a few steps. He then ran up and laid out Morris from behind.



    Lol. There's no argument. The word legitimately has specific meaning when it comes to hits in sports. It literally originated as a football term for being hit from the side in which you're not looking. Blindsiding a player is outlawed in many sports because it exacerbates the potential for serious injury.

    The term has been co-opted outside of sports in a figurative sense to generally mean "caught unaware", though it's often debased to simply "caught by surprise", which is not the same thing. Jokic saw Morris coming and knew that there was going to be contact. He expected a take foul, but received an unwarranted hard foul by Morris. That foul was definitely an FF2 and Morris was properly ejected for it.

    But Jokic took a running start and blindsided Morris in return. Morally, I don't have a problem with it, because Morris sure as hell provoked it. But from the league's standpoint, it was still a blindside and that's too dangerous to allow.



    Whatever you want to tell yourself. The tape doesn't lie.

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    That moment where you realize that the Cavs, led by... uh... Kevin Love?... Ricky Rubio?... Collin Sexton have a better record than the Lakers led by LeBron, AD, and Westbrook and nine(?!?) players taking a veteran minimum contract this year.

    Also, remember when the Cavs offered Kevin Love that $120m 4-year contract extension and everyone thought it was a really good deal for the Cavs to lock down that top-tier talent?

    No, neither do I.
    Yup, Joker hit a lot harder. I say good for him. You need people to think you're a little crazy in order to get respect sometimes. Maybe this will stop the next guy from taking a bitch ass cheap shot at you at the end of the game. One game suspension is a good price to pay for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Yup, Joker hit a lot harder. I say good for him.
    Yeah, I can't find any sympathy for Morris. Like, at all. He should have gotten his own suspension, though, too.


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    BTW, speaking of Westbrook... guy shot 82% from FT line first 9 years of his career (through his pointless MVP season). Since then he's shot 70%, including 65% over the past two years. Anyone else remember someone who just keeps getting worse and worse at shooting over his career? It's just weird - to me might speak to lack of interest as he continues to give zero fucks about playing winning basketball.

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    So people have been nay-saying the Warriors' early success based on their relatively easy strength of schedule so far. Tonight was going to be the real test of that with the 10-1 Warriors going up against the second-best record 8-3 Bulls.

    The Dubs are demolishing the Bulls, leading by as much as 27 in the 4th.

    EDIT: Ended with a +26 margin at 119-93. There were a rash of early turnovers that led to the Warriors being down 10 in the first, but then they started taking care of the ball and then just rolled.

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    Knicks falling back to earth. Neither Randle nor Barrett is shooting well, which is very concerning, especially Barrett, because he can’t be a star unless his shooting improves (and 68% career ft% indicates it prob won’t).

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    Is something going on with Utah? They're usually quietly doing their thing but all I've heard about lately is fight after fight and they seem to be losing a lot of their games.

    Also, hopefully Trae has finally figured something out. My Hawks been struggling

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    I happily watched the Lakers, my number one pick for the worst managed franchise that won a Championship, get blown out by a team that is based on 3 out of 4 players who could have been in Lakers uniforms this season for less than what Westbrook costs. Lonzo, we all know that story, 18m. DeRozan, 26m. Caruso, 10m or 8.6m... Westbrook, 44m. Anyone of the previous players would have taken less, especially if they were still on the team, and all of them are better than Westbrook, except for the occasional night when he plays like it's 2013.
    Imagine a line up of Davis, LeBron, DeRozan, Lonzo, and Caruso. Literally the best line up in the NBA, wouldn't even be close to any other line-up another team had.

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    Warriors are tearing the Nets to pieces; they're up 27 a few minutes into the 4th. Curry is rolling with 34 already, Durant is only at 19 and Harden is at 24.

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    Curry departs now with 37 points, a little over 5 minutes left and the Warriors with a 28 point lead.

    I doubt we'll see Durant or Harden for the remainder, either.

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    I think the thing that gets me the most about this game was the fact that Curry was in foul trouble early. He got his fourth foul with 7:00 to play in the third and Kerr sat him for the rest of the quarter. When D.Lee came in for Curry, the Warriors were up +13 and the lineup was Draymond Green, Jordan Poole, Damion Lee, Kevon Looney, and Gary Payton II. Late in the quarter, Iguodala came in for Looney, and Jonathan Kuminga came in for GP2.

    Durant and Harden were on the floor for the entire remaining 7 minutes of the third while Curry was gone, and when it ended, the Warriors had stretched the lead from +13 to +22.


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    Well, it wasn't exactly pretty, but the Warriors improved to 14-2 in a game where Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, and Otto Porter Jr. all sat for rest. Including Klay and Wiseman, that's $122m of this year's salaries off the court for this game. The combined salary of four of the five starters today was only $10.7m.


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    Anyone feel like hazarding a guess/opinion about a possible suspension for LeBron and Isaiah Stewart?



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    Props to the rookie who kept trying to hold Stewart back.

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    So a one-game suspension for LBJ and two for Stewart. Seems about right. Stewart looked unhinged.

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    What a cluuuuuuutch finish by the Grizzlies over the Jazz tonight. It was a tie game with just over two minutes left and Bogey hit two back-to-back threes to put the Jazz up 6 with 90 seconds left, but the Grizzlies fought back. They were still down three with 15 seconds left when Ja Morant was fouled and went to the line.

    He hit the first, but missed the second and a goaltend was initially called on the rebound. After review, they said there was no foul, so they had a jump ball, which the Grizzlies won. Then Ja drove to the paint, crashing the defenders, then kicked it out to Jaren Jackson Jr. to put up a three and give the Grizzlies a one point lead with 5 seconds left.

    Some good defense, a missed shot by Donovan Mitchell, and the Grizzles pulled off the improbable last minute comeback. When Bogdanovic's second three hit, I thought for sure it was a dagger, but nope.



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    Dubs doin' Dub things. Went from down 19 in the 2nd to up 20 in the 4th.


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    Dubs doin' Dub things. Went from down 19 in the 2nd to up 20 in the 4th.
    Duba are definitely past the point of this being just a "hot start". More than their offense, its their defense that is really killing it. But I also feel their offense is feast or famine. Thats why you constantly see these down by 20, win by 20 games they keep having. When they aren't scoring, they literally score nothing. They have no "go get a basket" player like KD was for them. And Klay won't be the answer to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    Duba are definitely past the point of this being just a "hot start". More than their offense, its their defense that is really killing it. But I also feel their offense is feast or famine. Thats why you constantly see these down by 20, win by 20 games they keep having. When they aren't scoring, they literally score nothing. They have no "go get a basket" player like KD was for them. And Klay won't be the answer to that.
    Sounds a lot like pre-Kerr warriors when they were just the team that hit a ton of 3s
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Sounds a lot like pre-Kerr warriors when they were just the team that hit a ton of 3s
    Not at all. This is the pure Kerr Warriors of 2014-2016. Warriors are the #1 defensive team with a defensive rating of 99.9, which belies the "just hit a ton of 3s" idea. They're also #1 in assist% at 70.8%. The next place team is the Spurs at 64.0%. To give an impression of just how far ahead of the pack that really is, that massive 6.8% difference is enough to cover the distance from the #2 team all the way down to the #22 team. They move the ball very well and their off-ball movement is superb, too, which does result in a lot of open-look 3s, sure. But they're also scoring more points in the paint than any Warriors team since Baron Davis' We Believe Warriors of 2006-2008. The bench, if anything, is even deeper than the original Strength in Numbers team, and Klay and Wiseman aren't even back, yet.


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