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    Having one ruler is better than democracy

    It just gets things done. You have one leader. He decides. In democracy you always have two parties and they always cockblock each other. Sure not every ruler is good, but in democracy you are still being ruled. You can't really choose which ruler you want. The ignorant majority decides. I'd rather have a king that I'd be proud to follow than these shitheads in senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    You can't really choose which ruler you want. The ignorant majority decides. I'd rather have a king that I'd be proud to follow than these shitheads in senate.
    I didn't know one can choose a king.

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    Making broad generalizations, but a good king is better than a good administration in a democracy, while a bad king is far far worse than a bad administration. The worst a king can be is limited by only his imagination, but the worst administration is limited by the various checks and balances built into the system. The same applies to how good a king can be.

    Checks and balances really help to "even out" the spikes in good and bad. Someone with great ideas in the US can be limited by not having both chambers of Congress. But, someone who is toxic to the nation can be stopped by those same chambers. I still think it's better to have these checks and balances. If we could, in theory, ensure that the king is 100% wise and good, then yeah, they'd be infinitely better than even the best democracy. But since we can't protect ourselves from the bad kings, democracy is the better choice.
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    In theory? Maybe. It depends on the relationship between the single ruler and the ruled. Does he or she KNOW their subjects well? In a localized setting, it makes a great degree of sense since the population being governed knows the person ruling over them personally. The rulers status as ruler is ultimately subject to a degree of popular approval. So even a non-democratic society requires politics and that person consulting others and even being keenly aware of how their actions might be recieved.

    A dictator who has zero connection beyond abstraction to their ruled people, whose decisions cannot harm him or herself, well, they are just bound to make shitty decisions.

    Democracy is also nebulous. At present, there really isn't much connection between democratic will and policy. We live in "expert" managed societies, and beaurocracy governs life and often directs policy with the elected representives merely exercising oversight. Democratic will does not seem to translate at all into actual policy.
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    Make me dictator for a day and i'll solve all your problems, permanently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    I didn't know one can choose a king.
    I didn't say you could. But people defending democracy do so based on the fact that you get to vote. As if it's not tyranny when you get to vote for which tyrant you think is best suited for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    I'd rather have a king that I'd be proud to follow than these shitheads in senate.
    Ever heard of Henry VIII of England?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kheirn View Post
    Ever heard of Henry VIII of England?
    Hardly worse than our German chancellor or any of the other shitheads sitting in Berlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    It just gets things done. You have one leader. He decides. In democracy you always have two parties and they always cockblock each other. Sure not every ruler is good, but in democracy you are still being ruled. You can't really choose which ruler you want. The ignorant majority decides. I'd rather have a king that I'd be proud to follow than these shitheads in senate.
    And when that king decides to kill you and your family because he wants to, how proud would you be dying for him then?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    And when that king decides to kill you and your family because he wants to, how proud would you be dying for him then?
    Any different than when your ruler lets in refugees that rape your wife and daughter to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    Any different than when your ruler lets in refugees that rape your wife and daughter to death?
    So a king is therefore not better?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    So, would you be O.K. with a single ruler that didn't agree with your philosophy?

    Let's say, hmmm, a hyper-socialist takes control of your country and allows completely free immigration, while cracking down on people with anti-liberal views.

    Just asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    So, would you be O.K. with a single ruler that didn't agree with your philosophy?

    Let's say, hmmm, a hyper-socialist takes control of your country and allows completely free immigration, while cracking down on people with anti-liberal views.

    Just asking.
    No, that guy needs to be assassinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    So, would you be O.K. with a single ruler that didn't agree with your philosophy?

    Let's say, hmmm, a hyper-socialist takes control of your country and allows completely free immigration, while cracking down on people with anti-liberal views.

    Just asking.
    So, they'd oust themselves from power?

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    Do we need to bring out the guillotines again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    No, that guy needs to be assassinated.
    I'm not sure turning him into a martyr will make things better for you, considering he's also going to crack down hard on anyone trying to plot an assassination in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    No, that guy needs to be assassinated.
    Congratulations to being executed by said king for holding dissenting views. Hail the King!
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    This is only true if that one ruler is an incorruptible benevolent dictator.

    Such a thing is not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kheirn View Post
    Congratulations to being executed by said king for holding dissenting views. Hail the King!
    Better than seeing your country slowly die and being able to do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylaman View Post
    So, they'd oust themselves from power?
    If they feel everything is set in place to keep their dream it could end their reign in the process sure.

    I think there's almost some kind of example for this in this world right now. I just can't remember the country. Let's see if I find it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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