1. #3561
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    So, I thought to myself that it's implausible that we'd ever see an election with both candidates having lower net favorability than what Clinton and Trump had in 2016, but here we are with fresh data from Monmouth:

    Even Hillary Clinton had a 46-52 rating at the time of the election, but somehow the DNC has managed to gather together a group that normal people like even less than her. Digging into the cross-tabs from the link, independents go 39-56 on Biden, 39-56 on Sanders, and 32-55 on Warren. Trump is at 49-48 with independents, although with strong intensity on the negative side (41% very unfavorable, only 26% very favorable).

    Picking someone that independents like even less than Trump doesn't seem like a winning formula, but it's apparently what's going to happen.
    I am not sure why you think the numbers during the primaries would be relevant they are mostly being compared to each other instead of Trump. Hillary only had Bernie Sanders to contend with and most people didn't pay him any mind until later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Why do you keep bringing up Hillary?
    Because Trump supporters want Hillary back really really badly.

  2. #3562
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...le-term-082129

    This would be an interesting tactic. The article explains that if Biden were to pledge to a one-term presidency, it could ease the concerns of the younger bloc that their decidedly more progressive aspirations could by sidelined for 8 years. If so, they might be persuaded to move over to "the winning team" and give Biden what he needs to clinch the nomination.

    Edit: The more I think about it, a "cooling off" presidency sounds like a great thing. Just four years of boring caretakership.
    Last edited by Dacien; 2019-12-11 at 09:11 PM.

  3. #3563
    The country and world is much better off with Biden instead of Trump, but I don't think him pledging just one term will persuade anyone that has Sanders/Warren as their first choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    Edit: The more I think about it, a "cooling off" presidency sounds like a great thing. Just four years of boring caretakership.
    If there's anything the Trump Presidency shows, it's that the USA can't afford to take 4 years "off". The damage is already done, and needs to be dealt with, swiftly, before it gets worse. There are deep systemic issues that need to be addressed, and taking 4 years "off" only works for Republicans, who'd be ecstatic to have a do-nothing Democratic administration.

  5. #3565
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I am not sure why you think the numbers during the primaries would be relevant they are mostly being compared to each other instead of Trump. Hillary only had Bernie Sanders to contend with and most people didn't pay him any mind until later on.
    Favorability ratings aren't relative to each other, they're standalone ratings. They're not unchangeable, but they do tend to be kind of sticky. For a contrast and a picture of the kind of popularity you'd want to see from a candidate, Obama was a +24 net favorable with independents back in October 2007. That's 41 points better than Biden or Sanders are currently faring. People just kind of liked Obama (including me). The same is true across demographic and ideological splits - hell, he was only down 11 points with both self identified Republicans and ideological conservatives. Think about that - right now, every major Democrat candidate is more disliked by independents (and all Americans) than Obama was by Republicans in October 2007.

    Basically, all the Democrats needed to do in 2016 was not pick the most disliked candidate in American political history (or at least since we have polling). They failed to do so and somehow they're going to blow that record out of the water. Maybe they'll win anyway since people don't like Trump, but this is a bad plan.

  6. #3566
    If we could unplug millions of republican voters from the right wing propaganda machine, they'd see that proposals by someone like Sander's would greatly improve their lives and benefit their own causes.

    Even if you want to address the most divisive issue of abortion it's still the case. With the improved healthcare and economic situations for middle class/poor, there would likely be far fewer abortions. Not just because a woman decides not to or doesn't need it, but for all of the other reasons that lead to them taking place which have nothing to do with simply not wanting a baby.

    I grew up with poor, rural republicans. They would be so much better off if they'd stop voting republican. It's like watching someone repeatedly stab themselves.

  7. #3567
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    The country and world is much better off with Biden instead of Trump, but I don't think him pledging just one term will persuade anyone that has Sanders/Warren as their first choice.
    If anything it makes me even more certain that I prefer Warren over Biden. This signals to me that even Biden doesn't think he has the stamina for the job, which really makes me wonder why he wants it. If it's just to "right the ship" in the wake of Trump's nightmare landscape then there are other, more able candidates he could throw his support and resources behind. If he TRULY wants to be President then why is he already backing down from a second term? It's a head-scratcher, for sure.


    And, as I feel compelled to do in every post on this subject, I would still vote for him over Trump if those were my options.

  8. #3568
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Favorability ratings aren't relative to each other, they're standalone ratings. They're not unchangeable, but they do tend to be kind of sticky.
    Hillary's unfavorable rating shooting up to 61% after the election says otherwise, also it is impossible for any candidate to get that 32-35% of Trump supporters who love him even if he was strangling babies on live TV. Of course it is relative to each other because you don't have scrutiny, comparison and attacks on television not to mention the current environment which is unprecedented.
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  9. #3569
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Hillary's unfavorable rating shooting up to 61% after the election says otherwise, also it is impossible for any candidate to get that 32-35% of Trump supporters who love him even if he was strangling babies on live TV. Of course it is relative to each other because you don't have scrutiny, comparison and attacks on television not to mention the current environment which is unprecedented.
    I kinda figured people would have rationalizations for why the general dislikeableness of the current field isn't real, but I really have no idea where you going with the Hillary thing. Yeah, most normal people don't like her.

  10. #3570
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Why do you keep bringing up Hillary?
    Because that is probably the only candidate Trump could possibly beat.

  11. #3571
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I kinda figured people would have rationalizations for why the general dislikeableness of the current field isn't real, but I really have no idea where you going with the Hillary thing. Yeah, most normal people don't like her.
    You used her as the baseline but if 2016 shows us anything it's that unfavorable ratings doesn't mean much Trump still won.

  12. #3572
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If there's anything the Trump Presidency shows, it's that the USA can't afford to take 4 years "off". The damage is already done, and needs to be dealt with, swiftly, before it gets worse. There are deep systemic issues that need to be addressed, and taking 4 years "off" only works for Republicans, who'd be ecstatic to have a do-nothing Democratic administration.
    You spelled 8 wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    You spelled 8 wrong
    And you missed the context of the post, lol.

    They're talking about the next Democratic President.

  14. #3574
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    You always, consistently and conveniently, defend and defer/deflect Trump with your every breath. Your posts continue to lie and gaslight while parroting Trump's state media talking points.




    So you don't even know that women are considered a minority category?
    Feel free to link me defending Trump. You trumpkins are all alike, all show and no proof. Notice no one has provided proof. You're just a part of the circle jerk here.

  15. #3575
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Feel free to link me defending Trump. You trumpkins are all alike, all show and no proof. Notice no one has provided proof. You're just a part of the circle jerk here.
    o look at you...accusing others of what you do...so very Goebbels of you.

  16. #3576
    The democrats best chance is Joe Biden sadly. None of the other candidates are going to get the black vote as much as he would and Mayor Pete will get next to none of it. Those same old people who will vote for Biden will vote against the 2 socialists. So the answer is clearly Biden. The sad part is he will talk his way out of it. He is doing his best to look worse every day. And if he gets the nomination, there might be a senate subpoena for the impeachment trial waiting for him. Reality is that all the candidates are bad. I want China loving Bloomberg to win the nomination. That would be hilarious. He could tell us again how China"s dictator has to "satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    o look at you...accusing others of what you do...so very Goebbels of you.
    ooo look at you deflecting because you can not provide proof, how very very typical mmo champion of you

  17. #3577
    Another day, another Sanders supporter doing something abhorrent. This time its doxxing donors and forcing their way into a closed door fundraiser.

    https://twitter.com/JakeforPete2020/...845986816?s=19

  18. #3578
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Another day, another Sanders supporter doing something abhorrent. This time its doxxing donors and forcing their way into a closed door fundraiser.

    https://twitter.com/JakeforPete2020/...845986816?s=19
    Yeah, screw that guy. But also, every politician needs to be pestered persistently over where their money comes from.
    "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    -H.L. Mencken, 1920

  19. #3579
    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    Yeah, screw that guy. But also, every politician needs to be pestered persistently over where their money comes from.
    Ok... 100% of his money comes from individual donors, so I'm not really seeing the issue.

  20. #3580
    When people talk about Sanders being "Shunned" by the media, this is exactly what they're talking about:

    https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1204977652622168064

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