1. #4281
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Warren has the problem of a ton of dirt and a long hilarious track record of lying. I mean even now with her campaigns attempt to #MeToo Sanders, Sanders was an ardent feminist when she was a republican writing impassioned papers calling for deregulation and free market initiatives.

    Warren is a proven liar:
    1. Betrayed on M4A, she has completely waffled.
    2. Plagiarised recipes to sell a Native American cookbook where she calls herself "Cherokee", a point Trump will destroy her with forever. Plus the fact that she materially benefited from the Native America claim, securing jobs because of it.
    3. Said she was Republican in the 80s because she "wasn't political" when she wrote articles calling for deregulation, more over many of her plans essentially are ultimately predicated on a distinctly Biden-esque lens but presented in a way that pleases her largely highly educated and affluent base.

    Warrens entire appeals is to tell that subsection of the electorate that she will ensure they won't end up as poor people. In the end Sanders would do far better since his entire platform is universal.
    You having an issue with someone plagiarizing is fucking hysterical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    You having an issue with someone plagiarizing is fucking hysterical.
    MMO-OC isn't a published book. Nor am I a technical person who can benefit from it. Theodarzna is a name; not the name of the person typing this. Nor am I trying to collect fame and prestige from my... *Laughs uncontrollably* MMO-OC posting career. This forum is about one step above 4chan posts.

    Plus, I like to see if you guys can be shown word for word socialism and how you react to it. What is amazing is the people who present to be Socialists, LARPing hard will reject their own ideology presented to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    You having an issue with someone plagiarizing is fucking hysterical.
    Why is it whenever these chuds get confronted with their hypocrisy or lies they immediately fall back into "well this is the internet and it doesn't matter so nyeh"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why is it whenever these chuds get confronted with their hypocrisy or lies they immediately fall back into "well this is the internet and it doesn't matter so nyeh"?
    I think my position could be summarized as two things,

    This is MMO-OC, not even facebook. None of us on here are really real. You seem to be flattening the issue. Warren is a real person who stands to gain from said actions. Theodarzna is a handle made up for posting on MMO-OC, no IRL person gets any benefit from any post made here. Plagiarism is only really plagiarism if someone is claiming credit for something and stands to benefit from it. Unlike in an academic setting, nobody here uses links or quotes unless they wish to back up a point. And since this is essentially the online equivalent of banter and chatter its decidedly not anybody presenting anything as their own original thoughts. Heck nobody credits anyone here with even having original thoughts. Everyone is merely looking for a reason to say someone is a shill, Russianbot, or you know paid to post insidious propaganda half the time.

    If you are arguing that "Its very serious that MMO-OC poster Theodarzna rips texts sometimes from socialist websites to present to us whom spend a lot of time claiming to be ardent leftists," then in the same sense argue there is some equivalence between someone playing a weird game and say an IRL person, with political power publishing stuff under a real name and trying to claim real prestige from it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why is it whenever these chuds get confronted with their hypocrisy or lies they immediately fall back into "well this is the internet and it doesn't matter so nyeh"?
    Shining a light on their dishonesty must burn.

  6. #4286
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Citations please. :3
    Citations of what? Trump's lies? Are you fucking serious?
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  7. #4287
    if you want to win the general, nominate a white man, thats what the polls show, every person of color candidate thats well known and woman loses to trump in a matchup, why do bernie and biden both win in the swing states to polls but woman and candidates of color lose? Its obvious and its the reason trump won 2016, its just a fact, thats why even though hillary was the most moderate candidate to run, she was to the right of obama, all the press did was focus on how "she dosent connect to white working class voters, and how her base is too "urban"" And to me while i personally understand progressives being mad that its the truth of the matter- its just the truth, the best thing you can do for social justice( if that happens to be one of your concerns) is removing trump, and that means you need a white man nominee, simple as that, thats why joe biden was picked to be obamas vp, he helped steer him from the electability problems. and thats why he can win the general
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Honesty in a sense matters with credibility towards one's own electorate. Plus if we accept your frame than you agree I am correct that Warren is full of it and none of her policy prescriptions are valid or even trust worthy.

    That isn't a strong case for "Vote for my person".
    The only people who care about the Cherokee thing are conservatives and they only care because it's a trolling tool. The people who dislike her m4a policy are voting for Bernie anyway, so that's also a moot point.

    None of those things are going to keep any left-leaning voters (aside from reactionaries posing as socialists) from picking her over Trump in the general election.
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  9. #4289
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    ***a bunch of racist drivel***
    Your racist diatribe doesn't explain 2008 and 2012 when it was Obama vs McCain, and Obama Vs Romney and the black guy won against 2 of the whitest white-folk out there.

    And, seriously, don't give me that shit that Biden's the reason people voted for Obama. >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    "Elizabeth Warren Is Starting a Fake Beef with Bernie Sanders"

    Good article.

    Let's not forget that Sanders (along with Biden) actually stands a strong chance to win the election against Trump, while Warren polls as the only candidate who would lose 100% in a run against Trump.

    Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states

    Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.

    DES MOINES, Iowa — The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.

    Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language.




    For all you Gamergaters that became berniebros, this is your "ethics in journalism" moment. Quoting sources from Shaun King's twitter is gonna get ya burned.

  11. #4291
    As Warren said in her statement, “I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.”

    Okay, that's the classy play...
    Not that I'll forget.
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  12. #4292
    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Your racist diatribe doesn't explain 2008 and 2012 when it was Obama vs McCain, and Obama Vs Romney and the black guy won against 2 of the whitest white-folk out there.

    And, seriously, don't give me that shit that Biden's the reason people voted for Obama. >_<

    i think the reason they chose biden, the man who wrote the "tough on crime bills" was to alleviate white anxiety about obama, again Im not saying i think its RIGHT, im just saying thats whats going on with regards to those states trump carried michigan/ohio, im saying racism/sexism is very much a factor in hillarys loss there, and if liz were the nominee in 2020 it would be again, i dont like it either its just what i see from living here and what the polls say, and unfortunately to win in 2020 we have to understand that and play around it

  13. #4293
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    As Warren said in her statement, “I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.”

    Okay, that's the classy play...
    Not that I'll forget.
    Sanders is playing hardball. Warren is playing let's be nice.

    Unfortunately, the US only votes for people that play hardball. Sanders is strong enough to attack Warren, and Warren is not strong enough to respond back.

    Trump will throw one heck of a lot more at whoever the democratic nominee is.

    Democratic primaries need to be ENCOURAGING a bit more mud slinging - what Americans vote for is "Who can throw the best mud at his/her opponent?". After all, the number one issue of the 2016 election was "BUT HER EMAILS". A completely fabricated field of mud. Completely fabricated, and completely successful.

    I like both Sanders and Warren. I am not upset at all by the two sides throwing mud at each other. Well so far it seems like its Sanders throwing mud at Warren. On the other hand, Warren supporters have thrown a fair amount of mud at Sanders all along. Sanders and Warren are running for President of the US, which is not beanbag.


    Not that I'll forget. So you'll vote for Trump if Sanders wins the democratic nomination?

  14. #4294
    Are they going to argue about leaked meetings with Bernie? Is that going to get brought up tonight do you think?

  15. #4295
    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    Are they going to argue about leaked meetings with Bernie? Is that going to get brought up tonight do you think?
    Isn't that based off a script that Sanders has tried to distance himself from? I haven't been following it super closely since it seems to be firmly beltway drama to get media into a feeding frenzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Isn't that based off a script that Sanders has tried to distance himself from? I haven't been following it super closely since it seems to be firmly beltway drama to get media into a feeding frenzy.
    I was thinking about the supposedly leaked meeting where Bernie was alleged to have said a woman can't win in 2020, or something to that effect. And the blame for the leak was supposedly, and obviously, Warren's camp.

  17. #4297
    If honesty is important to you then you can't possibly vote Trump. The most genuine and honest person in the race is Sanders. No one else has been more consistent and true to what they believe for decades. Whether you agree with him or not, of course.

    But if Warren gets it the native thing isn't going to make me vote Trump. It's like comparing a sniffle to cancer.

  18. #4298
    This Steyer monologue is not impressing me.

    Also, Buttigieg has a presidential voice and demeanor. Fits the physical profile, that's for sure.

  19. #4299
    Wow... they (CNN) are really starting to try to get Warren and Sanders to attack eachother with that attempt of the trad deal question. Glad to see both of them not take the bait.

  20. #4300
    Wow........


    One of them is calling the other a liar. Warren says it happened, Bernie says it didn't.

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