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  1. #1681
    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    She is going to take a lot more republican votes then Democratic ones.
    Doubtful. I view the conservative support of her (and others like Yang) as bad-faith acting rather than anything serious. They're boosting the fringe/low tier candidates that are most out of step with the rest of the field to try to gum up the primary, not because they actually support those candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Anyone else getting the definite feeling that Tulsi Gabbard is going to be running as an independent/third party candidate? I am not sure who is bankrolling her, but I think I am all for it. She is going to take a lot more republican votes then Democratic ones.
    She's got 0 chance. She's literally the 4chan candidate.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ate-alt-right/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    She's got 0 chance. She's literally the 4chan candidate.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ate-alt-right/
    The only real mom is our Orb Queen Marianne Williamson.

    Also wasn't she threatening to boycott the bait? They shouldn't have let her 'requalify' in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Yeah, that guy has no idea how to run on a national level. I get that he has policy issues he wants to forward, but "taking the gunz!" is exactly what the neo-con idiots want the dems to say.

    Those comments might have cost him a VP slot.
    I mean, if we're honest, the USA has a massive issue with gun crime, relative to other developed nations. Pretending the 2nd Amendment isn't a contributor to that is . . . willful blindness.

    The question really does boil down to "do you want the 2nd Amendment and fairly broad access to weaponry for all, or do you want to address the incredibly high rates of gun crime in the USA?" Because you can't really feasibly address the latter without addressing the former. It's the lynchpin behind the mess the USA is in, and being unwilling to address that is like being unwilling to address the parts of the Constitution that supported slavery, because of the chaos that would cause.

    If you're not willing to address the factors that go into the high rates of gun crime, then you're tacitly saying you're okay with the level of gun violence in the USA; it's a price you deem worth paying. The idea that Beto's going to torpedo his career, but those arguing in favor of high levels of gun violence won't, is pretty frickin' crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    She's got 0 chance. She's literally the 4chan candidate.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ate-alt-right/
    Zero chance of winning, not zero chance of running. I despise Gabbard, and I am quite confident we are going to find out some illegal shit about her campaign before this is over. Her whole act is incredibly suspicious, and she is getting a ton of funding from somewhere. I see her adds everywhere, and that is just weird for someone polling like she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Zero chance of winning, not zero chance of running. I despise Gabbard, and I am quite confident we are going to find out some illegal shit about her campaign before this is over. Her whole act is incredibly suspicious, and she is getting a ton of funding from somewhere. I see her adds everywhere, and that is just weird for someone polling like she is.
    She'll get in as much trouble as Jill Stein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    She get in as much trouble as Jill Stein.
    Fair, Jill Stein should have been investigated way more then she was. That campaign was crooked as shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Fair, Jill Stein should have been investigated way more then she was. That campaign was crooked as shit.
    Remember that time liberals were so desperate they threw money at her to challenge the election results, and she did fuckall with it? Those were good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Anyone else getting the definite feeling that Tulsi Gabbard is going to be running as an independent/third party candidate? I am not sure who is bankrolling her, but I think I am all for it. She is going to take a lot more republican votes then Democratic ones.
    As I am. She would probably win Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    As I am. She would probably win Hawaii.
    I know that's your hope, but it's probably not gonna happen - https://www.kitv.com/story/41142391/...bards-district

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Anyone else getting the definite feeling that Tulsi Gabbard is going to be running as an independent/third party candidate? I am not sure who is bankrolling her, but I think I am all for it. She is going to take a lot more republican votes then Democratic ones.
    Wouldn't put it past Russia to, considering how cozy she is with Syria and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    The only real mom is our Orb Queen Marianne Williamson.

    Also wasn't she threatening to boycott the bait? They shouldn't have let her 'requalify' in the first place.
    I received a text from her campaign a few days ago, she asked me for her support in the Democratic caucus in February in Iowa, I was like, nope, hard pass. I don't support antivaxxer moronic positions. And they came back with a prewritten response to her position, you could tell she had received that comment before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post

    This is what I mean...she needs to be careful not to come across as Hilary 2.0.
    I called it. People like you are already going to start comparing her deliberately to Hillary, just because.

    No matter what happens - you and the rest will be here saying "She comes off too much like Hillary when she says XYZ". Doesn't matter, you're trying to spread that idea, and you WANT her to be compared to Hillary via her association of being both "Female and Democrat".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    I called it. People like you are already going to start comparing her deliberately to Hillary, just because.

    No matter what happens - you and the rest will be here saying "She comes off too much like Hillary when she says XYZ". Doesn't matter, you're trying to spread that idea, and you WANT her to be compared to Hillary via her association of being both "Female and Democrat".
    I'm starting to wonder if the GOP blew their wad a year early on the native heritage issue. She didn't handle it very well at the time, which wasn't good, but she sure as shit regrouped, learned from it, and is probably 3x as tough in public as she was before. I feel like the GOP did her a favor - kind of an early training ground for national campaigning.
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    It's easy to see Gabbard as Hillary-lite. She seems to have libertarian positions, her big experiences seem to be foreign affairs and military.
    ...and that's an interesting turnabout from back when she endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Doubtful. I view the conservative support of her (and others like Yang) as bad-faith acting rather than anything serious. They're boosting the fringe/low tier candidates that are most out of step with the rest of the field to try to gum up the primary, not because they actually support those candidates.
    I worked with a guy that described himself as right-leaning, and he was all about Yang. He especially liked the basic income. They are out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if the GOP blew their wad a year early on the native heritage issue. She didn't handle it very well at the time, which wasn't good, but she sure as shit regrouped, learned from it, and is probably 3x as tough in public as she was before. I feel like the GOP did her a favor - kind of an early training ground for national campaigning.
    It wasn't even good fodder THEN. She claimed to have Native American ancestry. The test showed she had Native American ancestry--just less than she had originally thought. Her only mistake was stooping to Trump's level in the first place to have the pointless test done. The whole thing blew over in a matter of a couple weeks with Trump gaining nothing and Warren losing nothing. I'm sure it won't stop him from trotting out his racist nickname for her in the primaries should she win, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    It clearly says in your own link that the vetting process had not yet been completed, what a sad attempt at a ''gotcha''
    I actually didn't link anything
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    I actually didn't link anything
    Oh sorry that was Edge that immediately destroyed your 'gotcha' attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    I called it. People like you are already going to start comparing her deliberately to Hillary, just because.

    No matter what happens - you and the rest will be here saying "She comes off too much like Hillary when she says XYZ". Doesn't matter, you're trying to spread that idea, and you WANT her to be compared to Hillary via her association of being both "Female and Democrat".
    Not me, I'd happily vote for her.

    I'm just predicting the ways the right will try to smear/attack her. And yes, be prepared for conservative circles to whine about the Dems "forcing another female candidate on us." Among other things. Sadly, they have weaponized the image of Hilary and if they do manage to tie the two closely together, I believe it can sway the average voter just like it did last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    It wasn't even good fodder THEN. She claimed to have Native American ancestry. The test showed she had Native American ancestry--just less than she had originally thought.
    I also think some people have no fuckin' clue how these things worked, back in the day.

    My grandfather was part Naskapi Innu, by way of his grandmother. His family was always treated as having "bad blood". This was in Newfoundland, and it was never overt, never people shouting or throwing things, but he was generally looked down upon and, for most of his youth, never given much of a chance. He managed to largely overcome that with a lifetime of service to his community, of which he became a pillar. But it was a burden he had to overcome.

    It doesn't matter to racists what fraction your ancestry is. Particularly in the USA, where the "one drop" rule wasn't just societal guideline, but hard legal ruling. One drop of non-white blood, and that defined your ethnicity; someone who was 1/8th Cherokee was Cherokee, as far as law and society was concerned. So it's really not surprising in the frickin' least that the exact percentage Warren may have retained in her genetic heritage was uncertain, in her family's oral history. Many of them were likely known to be Native American, even if they weren't 100% genetically so.

    The whole thing was a gigantically racist attack on someone, to manufacture a bullshit lie. Birtherism 2.0.

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