Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Spectral]

I am not sure why you think the numbers during the primaries would be relevant they are mostly being compared to each other instead of Trump. Hillary only had Bernie Sanders to contend with and most people didn't pay him any mind until later on.

Favorability ratings aren't relative to each other, they're standalone ratings. They're not unchangeable, but they do tend to be kind of sticky. For a contrast and a picture of the kind of popularity you'd want to see from a candidate, Obama was a +24 net favorable with independents back in October 2007. That's 41 points better than Biden or Sanders are currently faring. People just kind of liked Obama (including me). The same is true across demographic and ideological splits - hell, he was only down 11 points with both self identified Republicans and ideological conservatives. Think about that - right now, every major Democrat candidate is more disliked by independents (and all Americans) than Obama was by Republicans in October 2007.

Basically, all the Democrats needed to do in 2016 was not pick the most disliked candidate in American political history (or at least since we have polling). They failed to do so and somehow they're going to blow that record out of the water. Maybe they'll win anyway since people don't like Trump, but this is a bad plan.

[Blur4stuff]

If we could unplug millions of republican voters from the right wing propaganda machine, they'd see that proposals by someone like Sander's would greatly improve their lives and benefit their own causes.

Even if you want to address the most divisive issue of abortion it's still the case. With the improved healthcare and economic situations for middle class/poor, there would likely be far fewer abortions. Not just because a woman decides not to or doesn't need it, but for all of the other reasons that lead to them taking place which have nothing to do with simply not wanting a baby.

I grew up with poor, rural republicans. They would be so much better off if they'd stop voting republican. It's like watching someone repeatedly stab themselves.

[Benggaul]

The country and world is much better off with Biden instead of Trump, but I don't think him pledging just one term will persuade anyone that has Sanders/Warren as their first choice.

If anything it makes me even more certain that I prefer Warren over Biden. This signals to me that even Biden doesn't think he has the stamina for the job, which really makes me wonder why he wants it. If it's just to "right the ship" in the wake of Trump's nightmare landscape then there are other, more able candidates he could throw his support and resources behind. If he TRULY wants to be President then why is he already backing down from a second term? It's a head-scratcher, for sure.


And, as I feel compelled to do in every post on this subject, I would still vote for him over Trump if those were my options.

[Draco-Onis]

Favorability ratings aren't relative to each other, they're standalone ratings. They're not unchangeable, but they do tend to be kind of sticky.

Hillary's unfavorable rating shooting up to 61% after the election says otherwise, also it is impossible for any candidate to get that 32-35% of Trump supporters who love him even if he was strangling babies on live TV. Of course it is relative to each other because you don't have scrutiny, comparison and attacks on television not to mention the current environment which is unprecedented.

[Spectral]

Hillary's unfavorable rating shooting up to 61% after the election says otherwise, also it is impossible for any candidate to get that 32-35% of Trump supporters who love him even if he was strangling babies on live TV. Of course it is relative to each other because you don't have scrutiny, comparison and attacks on television not to mention the current environment which is unprecedented.

I kinda figured people would have rationalizations for why the general dislikeableness of the current field isn't real, but I really have no idea where you going with the Hillary thing. Yeah, most normal people don't like her.

[Orbitus]

Why do you keep bringing up Hillary?

Because that is probably the only candidate Trump could possibly beat.

[Draco-Onis]

I kinda figured people would have rationalizations for why the general dislikeableness of the current field isn't real, but I really have no idea where you going with the Hillary thing. Yeah, most normal people don't like her.

You used her as the baseline but if 2016 shows us anything it's that unfavorable ratings doesn't mean much Trump still won.

[Jeezy911]

If there's anything the Trump Presidency shows, it's that the USA can't afford to take 4 years "off". The damage is already done, and needs to be dealt with, swiftly, before it gets worse. There are deep systemic issues that need to be addressed, and taking 4 years "off" only works for Republicans, who'd be ecstatic to have a do-nothing Democratic administration.

You spelled 8 wrong

[Xyonai]

You spelled 8 wrong

And you missed the context of the post, lol.

They're talking about the next Democratic President.

[TexasRules]

You always, consistently and conveniently, defend and defer/deflect Trump with your every breath. Your posts continue to lie and gaslight while parroting Trump's state media talking points.




So you don't even know that women are considered a minority category?

Feel free to link me defending Trump. You trumpkins are all alike, all show and no proof. Notice no one has provided proof. You're just a part of the circle jerk here.

[Shadowferal]

Feel free to link me defending Trump. You trumpkins are all alike, all show and no proof. Notice no one has provided proof. You're just a part of the circle jerk here.

o look at you...accusing others of what you do...so very Goebbels of you.

[TexasRules]

The democrats best chance is Joe Biden sadly. None of the other candidates are going to get the black vote as much as he would and Mayor Pete will get next to none of it. Those same old people who will vote for Biden will vote against the 2 socialists. So the answer is clearly Biden. The sad part is he will talk his way out of it. He is doing his best to look worse every day. And if he gets the nomination, there might be a senate subpoena for the impeachment trial waiting for him. Reality is that all the candidates are bad. I want China loving Bloomberg to win the nomination. That would be hilarious. He could tell us again how China"s dictator has to "satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive.”

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o look at you...accusing others of what you do...so very Goebbels of you.

ooo look at you deflecting because you can not provide proof, how very very typical mmo champion of you

[kaelleria]

Another day, another Sanders supporter doing something abhorrent. This time its doxxing donors and forcing their way into a closed door fundraiser.

https://twitter.com/JakeforPete2020/...845986816?s=19

[Gestopft]

Another day, another Sanders supporter doing something abhorrent. This time its doxxing donors and forcing their way into a closed door fundraiser.

https://twitter.com/JakeforPete2020/...845986816?s=19

Yeah, screw that guy. But also, every politician needs to be pestered persistently over where their money comes from.

[kaelleria]

Yeah, screw that guy. But also, every politician needs to be pestered persistently over where their money comes from.

Ok... 100% of his money comes from individual donors, so I'm not really seeing the issue.

[infinitemeridian]

When people talk about Sanders being "Shunned" by the media, this is exactly what they're talking about:

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1204977652622168064

[downnola]

When people talk about Sanders being "Shunned" by the media, this is exactly what they're talking about:

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1204977652622168064

I'm absolutely shocked that a politician that unapologetically threatens corporate interests via tax hikes and campaign finance reform would be mistreated by corporate media.

[infinitemeridian]

Warren has a stronger focus on these issues than Sanders though.

Warren is nowhere near Sanders level when it comes to this stuff.

[kaelleria]

@Skroe your Senator has officially gone off the rails -
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/12/u...ech-naive.html

I guess supporting candidates is now a threat to democracy. Seriously fuck her. She was my number 2, now she's completely alienated me.

[Gestopft]

@Skroe your Senator has officially gone off the rails -
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/12/u...ech-naive.html

I guess supporting candidates is now a threat to democracy. Seriously fuck her. She was my number 2, now she's completely alienated me.

That's not quite what she said. Her point was that politicians prioritizing wealthy donors is a threat to democracy. Which is absolutely true.