Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[downnola]

Honesty in a sense matters with credibility towards one's own electorate. Plus if we accept your frame than you agree I am correct that Warren is full of it and none of her policy prescriptions are valid or even trust worthy.

That isn't a strong case for "Vote for my person".

The only people who care about the Cherokee thing are conservatives and they only care because it's a trolling tool. The people who dislike her m4a policy are voting for Bernie anyway, so that's also a moot point.

None of those things are going to keep any left-leaning voters (aside from reactionaries posing as socialists) from picking her over Trump in the general election.

[mvaliz]

***a bunch of racist drivel***

Your racist diatribe doesn't explain 2008 and 2012 when it was Obama vs McCain, and Obama Vs Romney and the black guy won against 2 of the whitest white-folk out there.

And, seriously, don't give me that shit that Biden's the reason people voted for Obama. >_<

[Milchshake]

"Elizabeth Warren Is Starting a Fake Beef with Bernie Sanders"

Good article.

Let's not forget that Sanders (along with Biden) actually stands a strong chance to win the election against Trump, while Warren polls as the only candidate who would lose 100% in a run against Trump.

Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states
Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.

DES MOINES, Iowa — The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.

Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language.



For all you Gamergaters that became berniebros, this is your "ethics in journalism" moment. Quoting sources from Shaun King's twitter is gonna get ya burned.

[Shadowferal]

As Warren said in her statement, “I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.”

Okay, that's the classy play...
Not that I'll forget.

[arandomuser]

Your racist diatribe doesn't explain 2008 and 2012 when it was Obama vs McCain, and Obama Vs Romney and the black guy won against 2 of the whitest white-folk out there.

And, seriously, don't give me that shit that Biden's the reason people voted for Obama. >_<

i think the reason they chose biden, the man who wrote the "tough on crime bills" was to alleviate white anxiety about obama, again Im not saying i think its RIGHT, im just saying thats whats going on with regards to those states trump carried michigan/ohio, im saying racism/sexism is very much a factor in hillarys loss there, and if liz were the nominee in 2020 it would be again, i dont like it either its just what i see from living here and what the polls say, and unfortunately to win in 2020 we have to understand that and play around it

[Omega10]

As Warren said in her statement, “I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.”

Okay, that's the classy play...
Not that I'll forget.

Sanders is playing hardball. Warren is playing let's be nice.

Unfortunately, the US only votes for people that play hardball. Sanders is strong enough to attack Warren, and Warren is not strong enough to respond back.

Trump will throw one heck of a lot more at whoever the democratic nominee is.

Democratic primaries need to be ENCOURAGING a bit more mud slinging - what Americans vote for is "Who can throw the best mud at his/her opponent?". After all, the number one issue of the 2016 election was "BUT HER EMAILS". A completely fabricated field of mud. Completely fabricated, and completely successful.

I like both Sanders and Warren. I am not upset at all by the two sides throwing mud at each other. Well so far it seems like its Sanders throwing mud at Warren. On the other hand, Warren supporters have thrown a fair amount of mud at Sanders all along. Sanders and Warren are running for President of the US, which is not beanbag.


Not that I'll forget. So you'll vote for Trump if Sanders wins the democratic nomination?

[Dacien]

Are they going to argue about leaked meetings with Bernie? Is that going to get brought up tonight do you think?

[Edge-]

Are they going to argue about leaked meetings with Bernie? Is that going to get brought up tonight do you think?

Isn't that based off a script that Sanders has tried to distance himself from? I haven't been following it super closely since it seems to be firmly beltway drama to get media into a feeding frenzy.

[Dacien]

Isn't that based off a script that Sanders has tried to distance himself from? I haven't been following it super closely since it seems to be firmly beltway drama to get media into a feeding frenzy.

I was thinking about the supposedly leaked meeting where Bernie was alleged to have said a woman can't win in 2020, or something to that effect. And the blame for the leak was supposedly, and obviously, Warren's camp.

[Blur4stuff]

If honesty is important to you then you can't possibly vote Trump. The most genuine and honest person in the race is Sanders. No one else has been more consistent and true to what they believe for decades. Whether you agree with him or not, of course.

But if Warren gets it the native thing isn't going to make me vote Trump. It's like comparing a sniffle to cancer.

[Dacien]

This Steyer monologue is not impressing me.

Also, Buttigieg has a presidential voice and demeanor. Fits the physical profile, that's for sure.

[mvaliz]

Wow... they (CNN) are really starting to try to get Warren and Sanders to attack eachother with that attempt of the trad deal question. Glad to see both of them not take the bait.

[Dacien]

Wow........


One of them is calling the other a liar. Warren says it happened, Bernie says it didn't.

[Omega10]

In Warren's case, they stated that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”

Such a vicious attack. Is Warren going to be able to survive such mean words?

Working class people vote for Bernie (because they can easily find all the things he did for them through the years). Meanwhile Warren comes off as just another opportunist career politician because she was preaching Reaganomics during a time when Bernie was out there helping workers at the picket-lines. Warren used to be an anti-feminist ffs: "Capitalist to the bones!" - People can change their opinions and stances over time of course, but history is the only true measure you have of a person's true personality and worth.

I have not been following this so much, but is this really the script that Warren is complaining about? Please tell me it's not.

If it is, then Warren is getting desperate. If this is how she reacts when the going gets tough, then there is no way she'll defeat Trump.

[beanman12345]

klobuchar needed to have the debate of a life time, and it was only ho hum. She might as well drop out right now.

[Ooid]

For all you Gamergaters that became berniebros, this is your "ethics in journalism" moment. Quoting sources from Shaun King's twitter is gonna get ya burned.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows to not take Shaun King seriously.

Also, if you’re going to let gamer gate live in your head you should start charging rent.

[PACOX]

All CNN debates have been trash, change my opinion.

All the less Warren says about "Bernie is a mysogist" the more points she loses in my book.

Either

A) Bernie said those words and she let him slide for a year. A year of allowing this man to campaign for her party without telling them what he said. A year of being buddy buddy with him, a year being okay with it or too ashamed to come out. Both are not something you want to see in a president, especially one who has to go up against the other guy.

B) Bernie said it but it was out of context. He meant something along the lines of American society not being accepting of a woman president, not that a woman can't run the country. Same thing people said about black people before Obama...because it was true...because there are still sizable pockets of the country who think a president can only be a white, wealthy, straight, protestant man.

C) He didn't say it.

She could end Bernie's campaign in 5 min if he said it in bad faith, which why I'm convinced that he did not say it, at least not in the context that its being painted in.


Everyone on the stage except Bernie smells of by the book politicians of varying degrees.

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I dont know Warren anymore

[Dacien]

The country is absolutely ready for a woman president, just maybe not a progressive woman.

[Dug]

The country is absolutely ready for a woman president, just maybe not a progressive woman.

Conservatives don't want a woman president period. Any talks about women being too emotional and couldn't handle the job come from conservative talking points and are mainly said by conservative women.

[eschatological]

B) Bernie said it but it was out of context. He meant something along the lines of American society not being accepting of a woman president, not that a woman can't run the country. Same thing people said about black people before Obama...because it was true...because there are still sizable pockets of the country who think a president can only be a white, wealthy, straight, protestant man.

I don't think even Warren's camp is saying it's anything but B. She herself characterized his remarks as him saying, "I don't think a woman can win in 2020."

Interestingly, his camp, up until tonight, huffed and puffed and said, "Bernie's saying women are more than capable of being President for 30 years!" except that's not what he was accused of. And then tonight he outright said, "I didn't say it," but again, he's coming at it from this "competency" angle to, imo, deflect that he thinks (or at least thought, during that conversation) that the political calculus isn't there for a female candidate. He came off as a severely grumpy grandpa, to me, about the whole thing. And Warren quickly pivoted to how all the women on stage have won all their elections, without lingering too long but confirming that he did say it. And frankly, I believe her account of the story more, Bernie often comes off as the irreverent guy who says things like that. The media being what it is, that's all that'll come out of this debate.

There's a clip going pretty quickly viral after the debate where Warren goes up to Bernie to chew him out, rejects the handshake, and then you see her talking tersely to him, and then he's responding in a somewhat angry way. My guess is she's saying something to the effect of, "You know you said you didn't think, politically, a woman can win in 2020, and you're trying to spin it like my people are saying you're a misogynist, which isn't true." And then who knows what he's saying after that.

The original article was sourced FOUR times, and only 2 of them were on Warren's staff, supposedly. So, IDK, I think he said it, I think Warren's people characterized it properly (that "Bernie doesn't think a woman can win in 2020"), and I think Bernie and the Bernie Bros are going all pedagogue and saying "How dare you besmirch progressive icon Bernie who has been pro-women's issues for 50 years and of course believe a woman is able to be President!"