Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Milchshake]

It's the adopting and abandoning the Democratic Party to further his own personal political goals that I find most distasteful. It's cynical and manipulative and selfish. He's willing to use the Democrats to gain political advantage, but he's not willing to be a Democrat outside of that political race, because actually playing ball with the Democratic platform isn't actually what he's interested in.

And as for the "swarm of rabid locust people" who blindly support Sanders, as Slacker76 described them; they're the Democratic Tea Party. How'd appealing to that base work out for the GOP? That they stayed home in 2016 because they preferred Trump to Hillary Clinton is everything you need to know about them, and how little they actually support Bernie's views.

He's not a member of the DSA or any other socialist party in the US.

I've always said this. But a guy in a Socialist party of one, is the opposite of socialism. It's the biggest giveaway of just being another "movement candidate". Angry "voters" have flocked to them since Wallace and Ron Paul.

[eschatological]

It's the adopting and abandoning the Democratic Party to further his own personal political goals that I find most distasteful. It's cynical and manipulative and selfish. He's willing to use the Democrats to gain political advantage, but he's not willing to be a Democrat outside of that political race, because actually playing ball with the Democratic platform isn't actually what he's interested in.

And as for the "swarm of rabid locust people" who blindly support Sanders, as Slacker76 described them; they're the Democratic Tea Party. How'd appealing to that base work out for the GOP? That they stayed home in 2016 because they preferred Trump to Hillary Clinton is everything you need to know about them, and how little they actually support Bernie's views.

I do remember asking during the 2016 primaries why Bernie was running in the Democratic primaries. I barely knew who he was, and I consider myself very politically aware - I only knew him as a kooky, independent socialist Vermont Senator whose claim to fame was standing on the stage with Hillary in 94 when she introduced her plan to have universal health care.

If he really cared about pushing his issues as opposed to his own political power, he'd have run as a third party candidate, like Jill Stein or that other dude who didn't know major cities in Syria. Ron Johnson? IDK. Hell, there's a very small independent party called the Working Families Party who he would have been the ultimate candidate for.

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I do remember asking during the 2016 primaries why Bernie was running in the Democratic primaries. I barely knew who he was, and I consider myself very politically aware - I only knew him as a kooky, independent socialist Vermont Senator whose claim to fame was standing on the stage with Hillary in 94 when she introduced her plan to have universal health care.

If he really cared about pushing his issues as opposed to his own political power, he'd have run as a third party candidate, like Jill Stein or that other dude who didn't know major cities in Syria. Ron Johnson? IDK. Hell, there's a very small independent party called the Working Families Party who he would have been the ultimate candidate for.

That's exactly it.

I was pretty pro-Bernie in the run-up to 2016; I thought he'd decided to work to reform the Democrats from within, rather than being an Independent. And then he lost the primary, and stepped out, again. Fuck, maybe he was bent out of shape, fine. But then he joins again for 2020? That's when I entered "fuck you, Bernie Sanders" territory.

It has nothing to do with his politics, which I'm largely in favor of. It's entirely down to his poor character, from my point of view.

[eschatological]

I'm still pretty pro-Bernie, I think he'd make an okay President (good on sticking to his ideals, not good at making shit happen). He'd be miles ahead of Trump.

Gandhi was once asked what he thought of Jesus Christ. He responded, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I feel the same way about Bernie vs. his supporters.

[lockybalboa]

Trump must be pretty delighted with the in-fighting going on right now lol. What a bunch of clowns.

[Orbitus]

Trump must be pretty delighted with the in-fighting going on right now lol. What a bunch of clowns.

Yeah, we know, Trump is driving the clowncar into impeachment, with his fellow clowns, Nunes, Guiliani, Jordan, McConnell, Cruz, Gaetz, McCarthy, and the other morons that said Trump didn't commit a crime with his bribery of Ukraine.

[Blur4stuff]

I'm fairly certain Trump hasn't felt good on any day in the past three years. I don't think republicans want to compare the sides, though.

Dems had a temporary fuss that will soon be forgotten. Trump and his entire administration have engaged in criminal and vile behavior for years now. Several of them are in jail and the rest will follow in the coming years.

[lockybalboa]

Yeah, we know, Trump is driving the clowncar into impeachment, with his fellow clowns, Nunes, Guiliani, Jordan, McConnell, Cruz, Gaetz, McCarthy, and the other morons that said Trump didn't commit a crime with his bribery of Ukraine.

And guess what, he is still gonna win this election because of the Democrat side are all made up of nincompoops. You must be naive if you think this impeachment is going to change anything.

[downnola]

What is a cozy relationship? "I don't want to go to war" isn't necessarily a cozy relationship and if you don't intend to be completely isolationist, and you don't want to go to war, than you know, diplomacy becomes a necessary thing and that does mean going up to people and not spitting on them.

We want to go to war with India?

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/...ionalist-modi/

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It has been adressed plenty of times though; at this point if you don't know why she is not afraid to talk to them rather then hide behind blind condemnations you're just refusing to listen.

stfu
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[Wyrt]

And guess what, he is still gonna win this election because of the Democrat side are all made up of nincompoops. You must be naive if you think this impeachment is going to change anything.

This is what confuses me about this election. All of the Democrats running are reasonably intelligent with firm logic behind their policies. They have a few gaffs here and there, but overall nothing terrible serious or damning. Even Biden who makes frequent gaffs has been mostly just sticking his foot in his mouth than anything serious.

But somehow people insist that they're all worse than Trump, who ran a fake university to scam people out of money and is banned from owning a charity because of fraud.

Like WTF? Why is the level of scrutiny so much higher for the Democrats?

[lockybalboa]

This is what confuses me about this election. All of the Democrats running are reasonably intelligent with firm logic behind their policies. They have a few gaffs here and there, but overall nothing terrible serious or damning. Even Biden who makes frequent gaffs has been mostly just sticking his foot in his mouth than anything serious.

But somehow people insist that they're all worse than Trump, who ran a fake university to scam people out of money and is banned from owning a charity because of fraud.

Like WTF? Why is the level of scrutiny so much higher for the Democrats?

It's not about morality here you see. The clowns aren't doing their chances any good with their childish bickering. Trump is at least good at consolidating his support and selling stuff. And "intelligent" are you kidding me? Have you watched their recent debates？Just look at that clown Warren. Democrats are all over the place now. I hope for Bernie winning but it's sadly not going to happen because of the lack of support within.

[Draco-Onis]

This is what confuses me about this election. All of the Democrats running are reasonably intelligent with firm logic behind their policies. They have a few gaffs here and there, but overall nothing terrible serious or damning. Even Biden who makes frequent gaffs has been mostly just sticking his foot in his mouth than anything serious.

But somehow people insist that they're all worse than Trump, who ran a fake university to scam people out of money and is banned from owning a charity because of fraud.

Like WTF? Why is the level of scrutiny so much higher for the Democrats?

The delusional cult like followers of Trump reside in an alternate reality you have people still denying he did anything in the Ukraine scandal even after openly admitting it several times. It's to the point where not even Trump's own words matter but their image of him does.

[Wyrt]

It's not about morality here you see. The clowns aren't doing their chances any good with their childish bickering. Trump is at least good at consolidating his support and selling stuff. And "intelligent" are you kidding me? Have you watched their recent debates？Just look at that clown Warren. Democrats are all over the place now. I hope for Bernie winning but it's sadly not going to happen because of the lack of support within.

Yes, that's what primaries are for, having debates and disagreements over ideas and policies. That's like the entire purpose of having primaries.

[PACOX]

Oh no, I can't believe the candidates are competing against each other

[Orbitus]

And guess what, he is still gonna win this election because of the Democrat side are all made up of nincompoops. You must be naive if you think this impeachment is going to change anything.

Yes, we know his followers, much like you, ignore reality and the crimes he has committed.

[Shalcker]

We want to go to war with India?

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/...ionalist-modi/

You obviously want US to keep diplomatic options open and decent relations with India to counter Chinese influence. Even when (or even especially when) they elect nationalists.

[JohnBrown1917]

I believe Biden or Warren would be better at building consensus to get strong legislation passed. But on the other hand, Bernie is backed by a swarm of rabid locust people who once activated may be able to annihilate all who might stand in the way of economic equality.

Bernie commands this massive army that can move mountains but he refuses to deploy against republicans it unless the DNC reward him with power.

You guys are sure having living in some strange alternate reality.

[NED funded]

You guys are sure having living in some strange alternate reality.

At least he lives in the US.

You are some rando European that somehow is obsessed with Bernie XD

[infinitemeridian]

Oh no, I can't believe the candidates are competing against each other

It boggles my mind to this day that people don't understand what a primary is all about. These candidates are not "friends". They cannot all win. They are not the same. Not everybody believes beating Trump should be the #1 goal and nothing else matters.

Did everyone have their minds erased from politics prior to 2008? Hillary and Obama ran ruthless campaigns against one another. They didn't go up to the stage and say "just pick a name out of the hat, they're all the same anyways - hope it's mine tho! ".

It's the adopting and abandoning the Democratic Party to further his own personal political goals that I find most distasteful. It's cynical and manipulative and selfish. He's willing to use the Democrats to gain political advantage, but he's not willing to be a Democrat outside of that political race, because actually playing ball with the Democratic platform isn't actually what he's interested in.

And as for the "swarm of rabid locust people" who blindly support Sanders, as Slacker76 described them; they're the Democratic Tea Party. How'd appealing to that base work out for the GOP? That they stayed home in 2016 because they preferred Trump to Hillary Clinton is everything you need to know about them, and how little they actually support Bernie's views.

What are you talking about? His own personal political goals? What do you think the rest of the platform are trying to further? Of course he is trying to further his political goals, he believes in a certain vision of this country and wants to make it happen. It just so happens that many people also believe in this vision too. How else would he have gotten this far otherwise?

And using the democratic party is the only way to do this. Who cares if he's not a Democrat? That's a GOOD thing! Especially in the primary, because being a stooge to the modern Democratic party operatus aka one of the most dogshit brands on the face of the earth, will only expand his appeal. Where do you think all of those Tulsi / Yang / Marianne Williamson supporters are going to flock to, or the disaffected Obama voters who hate what the Democratic party has become? Hint hint, it's not Biden / Warren / Pete. Bernie is the only candidate up there who can not only bring in the usual suspects of the Dems, but also expand the base to those people, working class voters, and young people.

Bernie understands that politics is about power and any sort of movement that he needs to create starts from the very top, by showing people that "tea party" democrats are a force to be reckoned with. The only way to change the Democratic party is from the inside, not the outside, and nobody except Sanders brings a vision like his to the table.

Additionally, nobody seems to understand that a Sanders presidency is not about passing bills or legislation - of course most of the things he's proposing are probably not going to happen, but these same exact challenges face all the other candidates. Sanders will use the presidency to remain focused on building a coalition and using that to primary Democrats that don't support his agenda and use things like the budget reconciliation act with the support of his vp to get Medicare for all. A Sanders presidency is more about building a Democratic party for the future, not desperately clinging to a the receding horizon of centrism and 3rd way politics.

The republicans are not going to reach across the isle no matter what. It's not "unfair" or "illegal" that they don't do this - that's just how they operate. It's completely within their jurisdiction and good on them for being able to have ideals and plans and being able to use the power that they have cultivated to do this. The Democrats could learn a lot from them - bowing down to Republicans before you're even in office or before anything is on the table helps nobody. And guess what? Most people recognize this. Which is why people are angry when the dems tell us "hey that thing you know you want, that helps you and a significant part of the country? Sorry, but you just don't understand politics, we can never get this passed in congress" - which is obvious, so you should be trying to get put the same position of the republicans!

[NED funded]

It boggles my mind to this day that people don't understand what a primary is all about. These candidates are not "friends". They cannot all win. They are not the same. Not everybody believes beating Trump should be the #1 goal and nothing else matters.

Did everyone have their minds erased from politics prior to 2008? Hillary and Obama ran ruthless campaigns against one another. They didn't go up to the stage and say "just pick a name out of the hat, they're all the same anyways - hope it's mine tho! ".



What are you talking about? His own personal political goals? What do you think the rest of the platform are trying to further? Of course he is trying to further his political goals, he believes in a certain vision of this country and wants to make it happen. It just so happens that many people also believe in this vision too. How else would he have gotten this far otherwise?

And using the democratic party is the only way to do this. Who cares if he's not a Democrat? That's a GOOD thing! Especially in the primary, because being a stooge to the modern Democratic party operatus aka one of the most dogshit brands on the face of the earth, will only expand his appeal. Where do you think all of those Tulsi / Yang / Marianne Williamson supporters are going to flock to, or the disaffected Obama voters who hate what the Democratic party has become? Hint hint, it's not Biden / Warren / Pete. Bernie is the only candidate up there who can not only bring in the usual suspects of the Dems, but also expand the base to those people, working class voters, and young people.

Bernie understands that politics is about power and any sort of movement that he needs to create starts from the very top, by showing people that "tea party" democrats are a force to be reckoned with. The only way to change the Democratic party is from the inside, not the outside, and nobody except Sanders brings a vision like his to the table.

Additionally, nobody seems to understand that a Sanders presidency is not about passing bills or legislation - of course most of the things he's proposing are probably not going to happen, but these same exact challenges face all the other candidates. Sanders will use the presidency to remain focused on building a coalition and using that to primary Democrats that don't support his agenda and use things like the budget reconciliation act with the support of his vp to get Medicare for all. A Sanders presidency is more about building a Democratic party for the future, not desperately clinging to a the receding horizon of centrism and 3rd way politics.

The republicans are not going to reach across the isle no matter what. It's not "unfair" or "illegal" that they don't do this - that's just how they operate. It's completely within their jurisdiction and good on them for being able to have ideals and plans and being able to use the power that they have cultivated to do this. The Democrats could learn a lot from them - bowing down to Republicans before you're even in office or before anything is on the table helps nobody.

So the point of a Sanders presidency is to purge anyone from the party that doesnt agree with him

Very cool and noble -_-