Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

hillary should get investigated in her and her husband's suspicious friends being killed such as epstain and all her coporate friends like bloomberg should be investigated as well but no one will speak when they have 250,000 in their mouths and pie holes

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https://twitter.com/Giovasummer/stat...67258440503297

[Machismo]

hillary should get investigated in her and her husband's suspicious friends being killed such as epstain and all her coporate friends like bloomberg should be investigated as well but no one will speak when they have 250,000 in their mouths and pie holes

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https://twitter.com/Giovasummer/stat...67258440503297

Do you have evidence to back up those accusations?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/Giovasummer/stat...67258440503297

1. Democrats.com isn't the official DNC website, Democrats.org is.
2. That website hasn't been updated since December 2018, pretty safe to treat it as garbage.
3. He links to nothing, so there's no way to verify the numbers in his post.

Come on dude, for a guy that's all on the "CLINTONS KILL PEOPLE!" train you're not doing much, or apparently any, due diligence before sharing what sure looks like some intentionally misleading information from a total random.

[JohnBrown1917]

He's been in Congress longer than she was, so I'd fucking hope so.

But is she wrong? His actual legislative achievements, from what I can tell from a quick review, are pretty thin. He has a lot of ideas, but he hasn't been able to see them through to fruition.

So, again, is she wrong? No substantive legislative history, and even thinking back to 2016 there was hardly an outpouring of support from any liberal colleagues. He's got more Congressional support this election, and that comes in-part from the younger progressive wing of the House, who haven't/don't work with him.

She got plenty done, and screwed up plenty too. But she's not running this election, so her screwups are irrelevant.

Yes, she is wrong. All she got done only made things worse for everybody, with the slave markets in Libya at the top of the list. Meanwhile, she has been in way more powerful positions.

Sanders has done plenty with what little power he has.

[Edge-]

Yes, she is wrong. All she got done only made things worse for everybody, with the slave markets in Libya at the top of the list. Meanwhile, she has been in way more powerful positions.

This isn't about Hillary, dude. She's. Not. Running.

Sanders has done plenty with what little power he has.

Such as? Again, list his legislative achievements. List the strong endorsements he's received from colleagues he's worked with. Because, by all accounts, while he has "radical ideas, he doesn't have a history of making them a reality and seems like he's made a career out of being a politician. That's not an inherently bad thing, either.

[starlord]

hillary should get investigated in her and her husband's suspicious friends being killed such as epstain and all her coporate friends like bloomberg should be investigated as well but no one will speak when they have 250,000 in their mouths and pie holes

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https://twitter.com/Giovasummer/stat...67258440503297

this is why people don't like bernie bros.

[JohnBrown1917]

this is why people don't like bernie bros.

Still having fun with gendered insuts I see.

[Dacien]

I'm also critical of Bernie Sanders.

[starlord]

Still having fun with gendered insuts I see.

meanwhile bernie bros coordinate gendered attacks on warren.

[kaid]

He's been in Congress longer than she was, so I'd fucking hope so.

But is she wrong? His actual legislative achievements, from what I can tell from a quick review, are pretty thin. He has a lot of ideas, but he hasn't been able to see them through to fruition.

So, again, is she wrong? No substantive legislative history, and even thinking back to 2016 there was hardly an outpouring of support from any liberal colleagues. He's got more Congressional support this election, and that comes in-part from the younger progressive wing of the House, who haven't/don't work with him.

She got plenty done, and screwed up plenty too. But she's not running this election, so her screwups are irrelevant.

Honestly I think this goes back to the super delegate bitching he was doing in 2016. Most of the super delegates were people he had worked with for many years and yet almost none of them were willing to vote for him. As the outsider its not unusual for him to have less but almost none were willing to vote for him which makes me think there is personal issues there that so few coworkers would care to back you. The complaints vs super delegates are starting up again and after what happened in 2016 why hasn't bernie worked harder to shore up those relationships?

[jeezusisacasual]

meanwhile bernie bros coordinate gendered attacks on warren.

Bernie Bros are not the actual person which is the point, its akin to labeling every person who voted for Trump out of desperation and change a racist. Warren is my horse as i have said before so with that being said the outrage her camp pushed with the help of CNN is absolutely stupid in every single light. Sanders wont get anything done if he is elected because the Democratic party would rather vote for right wing bills out of spite is a far cry different to this. This is again why i am not supporting Sanders because he is to old to really change the entire DNC structure that was reshaped during the 80s.

[Blade Wolf]

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-record-220508 (2016)

http://addictinginfo.com/2016/02/19/...ith-citations/ (2019)

Honestly...she's kinda right by the looks of things. And she's only talking about how he's liked/disliked in Congress, not nationally. His "achievements" generally seem to trend more towards "First openly socialist member of the House" which...isn't really any sort of legislative achievement.

Here's some of his accomplishments.

[starlord]

Bernie Bros are not the actual person which is the point, its akin to labeling every person who voted for Trump out of desperation and change a racist. Warren is my horse as i have said before so with that being said the outrage her camp pushed with the help of CNN is absolutely stupid in every single light. Sanders wont get anything done if he is elected because the Democratic party would rather vote for right wing bills out of spite is a far cry different to this. This is again why i am not supporting Sanders because he is to old to really change the entire DNC structure that was reshaped during the 80s.

there's a certain undercurrent of misogyny in his followers, (who seem to be the left wing equivalent of trumpsters) and he has never done much to expel the more toxic elements of his people. for example his campaign spamming snake emojis at warren (a reference to taylor swift's spat with kanye). so, lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

[Blade Wolf]

there's a certain undercurrent of misogyny in his followers, (who seem to be the left wing equivalent of trumpsters) and he has never done much to expel the more toxic elements of his people. for example his campaign spamming snake emojis at warren (a reference to taylor swift's spat with kanye). so, lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Ofcourse it's misogyny and not the fact that she's been caught lying multiple times

[Elegiac]

Bernie bro culture is not a thing, for one.

You can't swing a cat on Twitter without hitting a Bernie Bro if you commit the cardinal sin of supporting a different candidate.

Exactly what's wrong with Hillary's assessment? You folks have an awful lot to say about what Bernie has supported for years, but what has he actually gotten done legislatively speaking?

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Ofcourse it's misogyny and not the fact that she's been caught lying multiple times

Do you really think it's fucking appropriate behavior to spam snake emojis at another progressive because of a largely media driven controversy?

Y'all like to claim everyone else has it out for Bernie but he has never been subjected to the level of vitriol his supporters level at other Democrats.

[starlord]

Ofcourse it's misogyny and not the fact that she's been caught lying multiple times

what did she lie about?

[Elegiac]

what did she lie about?

In before whining to the effect of:

"She claimed to be Native American"
"She used to be Republican"
"She didn't endorse Bernie in 2016"
"She doesn't fully commit to Medicare for All"
"She calls herself a capitalist"

Blah, blah, blah.

[Blade Wolf]

what did she lie about?

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/...redibility-gap

[Edge-]

Here's some of his accomplishments.

Just looking through the first few...

1. This? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders...enter-funding/

Hasn't gone anywhere in the House or Senate -

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ouse-bill/1943
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-bill/962/text

2. He didn't do anything, actually. He criticized Amazon, but they were already facing stiff criticism for their pay. Here's more on this - https://www.wired.com/story/why-amaz...-minimum-wage/

3. He didn't do anything here, either. As with Amazon, he joined the chorus of criticism against Disney - https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...m-wage-victory

Both are good outcomes, but neither can be directly attributed to Sanders, and neither are legislative achievements.

4. Again, nothing he appears to have done legislatively. It seems a bill was passed, but based on this report the former employees pensions weren't saved due to legislation, but as a part of a settlement agreement - https://solidarity-us.org/atc/113/p351/

5. Sanders isn't the only person pushing for $15 minimum, and again, I'm not sure how this is a legislative win for Sanders as he's in the US Senate.

So of the first 5, we have no direct legislative accomplishments, and really no "direct" accomplishments either. We have either misrepresentations, or attributing things to Sanders because he joined a large chorus alongside thousands/millions of others.

I don't "hate" or even dislike Sanders. But that doesn't mean we have to create this storied political career for him with fictitious accomplishments.

Edit: To add to this, this kind of shit is why people roll their eyes at "bernie bros". There are probably some very solid accomplishments he directly had a hand in, both legislatively and otherwise. But instead, they offer up nonsense like this hoping that nobody will take 30 seconds to verify each claim and find out that they're all largely crediting Sanders for things that he deserves no special credit for, if any credit at all.

[Elegiac]

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/...redibility-gap

Called it.