Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[downnola]

Yep. Warren's positions fall squarely in the realm of Keynesian capitalist - that is not neoliberal by any stretch.

So is Bernie's but don't tell the Chapo Trap House squad that.

[Theodarzna]

I personally believe that she misunderstood what Bernie was saying. IMO there's no way Bernie would ever say such a thing.

Given the timing of it (Two whole years after the fact AND when her polls are sinking) and the fact that her four surrogates that leaked it specifically to CNN that then did a hatchet job during the debate and even released the "Hot Mic" post debate spat (That Warren had to have known was still an active mic) and that Warren is now a VP contender for Joe Biden AND that she has refused to even go after Joe Biden even though he claimed credit for her signature issue; and his Bankruptcy policy was utterly anathema to what she claimed to support, I think not only is this all a ploy by Warren to show fealty to Biden and secure that spot; but that its been a long time plan to try a Kamikaze #MeToo attack on Sanders if her polls started to fall and Sanders started having decent paths to victory.

[Elegiac]

So is Bernie's but don't tell the Chapo Trap House squad that.

I imagine they take it about as well as comments that no, Bernie is in fact a human being and...gasp...may have said some Problematic™ things in the past.

[Elegiac]

Holy shit... LOL

Everyone is a Keynesian...

Everyone.

Sounds like someone doesn't know how neoliberalism actually came about.

Hint: Most mainstream economic positions in the US since the Reagan Revolution have not been Keynesian because even the neoliberals to some degree buy into supply side crap.

[JohnBrown1917]

So is Bernie's but don't tell the Chapo Trap House squad that.

Sander's social democracy is still way to the left to whatever Warren is pushing

[Edge-]

CNN is as much to blame for Trumpism as Fox News, honestly. Without CNN we wouldn't have the 24 hour news cycle.

That's not on CNN only, that's a broadcast news problem for the major networks in general (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, though less so for the other alphabet channels).

[Elegiac]

Sander's social democracy is still way to the left to whatever Warren is pushing

Lol, what an American thing to say.

A Tony Benn he is not.

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That's not on CNN only, that's a broadcast news problem for the major networks in general (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, though less so for the other alphabet channels).

To quote Twitter: "if someone says it's raining and another person says it isn't, a journalist's job isn't to report both sides; it's to look out the fucking window".

[starlord]

That's not on CNN only, that's a broadcast news problem for the major networks in general (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, though less so for the other alphabet channels).

i've seen a lot of mention that trump's playbook was copied verbatim from putin- flood the media with so much crap that everything gets lost in the noise. the media benefit from it (constant outrage generates more views) so they don't really fight it.

[NED funded]

You have the weirdest boner for the word neoliberalism...

Here we are, months later, and you're still spouting off about it. What the fuck did neoliberalism do to you? Is this the hill you've chosen to die on? Literally sneaking the word into every discussion so you can have this moment?

Expanding markets is *hardly* a neoliberal position? Lol. Literally go fuck yourself. Don't ever talk about neoliberalism again.

Yeah??? Trading with other countries, tribes or whatever has been a thing since like forever. Closing trade with other countries is literally stupid not even socialists dislike trade.

[Machismo]

Yeah??? Trading with other countries, tribes or whatever has been a thing since like forever. Closing trade with other countries is literally stupid not even socialists dislike trade.

And yet, you supported the trade war and Trump's tariffs. Do you see the disconnect?

[JohnBrown1917]

Lol, what an American thing to say.

I'm not the American here, sorry.



Have fun living in a country where not supporting M4a and smearing the only left-wing candidate is somehow still-wing.

[starlord]

Sander's social democracy is still way to the left to whatever Warren is pushing

fundamentally what they will be able to accomplish isn't much different, they will still have to contend with the repubs. which is why these "purity tests" are kind of laughable. to see real change the focus must be on changing congress.

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okay if y'all aren't american what are you even doing here? its apparently very confusing.

[Draco-Onis]

And yet, you supported the trade war and Trump's tariffs. Do you see the disconnect?

You're using logic on people who don't believe in it.

[JohnBrown1917]

fundamentally what they will be able to accomplish isn't much different, they will still have to contend with the repubs. which is why these "purity tests" are kind of laughable. to see real change the focus must be on changing congress.

Foreign policy is also still very important, and it still does not change what they stand for, even if the GoP blocks everything.


You can go after both the presidency and congress, I know this might be allien to Democrats, but it is possible.

[starlord]

Foreign policy is also still very important, and it still does not change what they stand for, even if the GoP blocks everything.


You can go after both the presidency and congress, I know this might be allien to Democrats, but it is possible.

sure, but people are arguing about what color of bucket to use when the boat is swamped.

[Elegiac]

I'm not the American here, sorry.

Have fun living in a country where not supporting M4a and smearing the only left-wing candidate is somehow still-wing.

Pretty sure Warren released a comprehensive plan as to how to pay for Medicare For All, which is more than can be said for Sanders.

And this here is demonstrative of the issue; you think being left wing is a function of belonging to the right tribe rather than it actually being a function of ideological substance.

Hence, brocialism. It's the left wing variant of when the girl in JoJo Rabbit says "You're not a nazi; you're a 10-year-old kid who likes dressing up in a funny uniform and wants to be part of a club".

[Machismo]

You're using logic on people who don't believe in it.

I'm starting to wonder if people honestly think others simply forgot everything they previously said, as if each day is some sort of clean slate.

We'll call it the Tabula Rasa Effect.

[NED funded]

And yet, you supported the trade war and Trump's tariffs. Do you see the disconnect?

I support fair trade not trade for the sake of it.

The US' and China's economies are so radically different from each other that I'm still baffled someone thought it was a good idea to let them into the WTO.

[Machismo]

I support fair trade not trade for the sake of it.

The US' and China's economies are so radically different from each other that I'm still baffled someone thought it was a good idea to let them into the WTO.

I'm baffled by people who want to attack trade, then complain when others want to attack trade. Not even socialists dislike trade.

[JohnBrown1917]

Pretty sure Warren released a comprehensive plan as to how to pay for Medicare For All, which is more than can be said for Sanders.

And this here is demonstrative of the issue; you think being left wing is a function of belonging to the right tribe rather than it actually being a function of ideological substance.

Hence, brocialism. It's the left wing variant of when the girl in JoJo Rabbit says "You're not a nazi; you're a 10-year-old kid who likes dressing up in a funny uniform and wants to be part of a club".

Her plan that would not lead to M4a at all? And getting m4a does not need a complex plan.
And what tribes? You're the one here cheering on capitalism as somehow the answer to... capitalism? What that is pretty much what being right wing is about. Its obvious you have no clue what social demcoracy is, and how it is seperate from your brand of liberalism, but it sure as hell does not involve clapping at Trump when he talks about how socialism will never set foot in the US.


How come all you libs are so stuborn about pretending to be left-wing? Its sad.

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sure, but people are arguing about what color of bucket to use when the boat is swamped.

It always was, has been for centuries. Yet another liberal won't change anything.