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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    At this point, picking Warren is a bad call. She proved too back stabby.
    Lol. You've never watched an election then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Warren's problem is she's too left wing and too outspoken. Everything else is noise.

    A VP needs to come across as the "good wife" (regardless of their sex). Supportive of the President, not too loud, not too aggressive. Very "mild-mannered".
    Disagree 100%.

    She's a little less left wing than Bernie. And this day and age, the people will want more than a do nothing VP, especially on the left.

    But honestly, everyone needs to throw out the playbooks of old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Disagree 100%.

    She's a little less left wing than Bernie. And this day and age, the people will want more than a do nothing VP, especially on the left.

    But honestly, everyone needs to throw out the playbooks of old.
    My point is that Bernie does need a more moderate VP. Or at least a soft-spoken young leftie. Warren is neither young nor soft spoken nor more moderate. He needs someone who go out and speak in favor of Bernie's plans but not sound like they're undermining or usurping or overruling him.

    A VP is a largely do-nothing position aside from speaking in support of what the President wants and winning the tie-breaking vote. So that's all whoever gets the job really needs to do: support Bernie's positions and vote in favor of Bernie's plans when the Senate ties. Bernie needs a "Bernie-to-be in training" who, assuming Bernie's platform gets traction while he's in office, can run on continuing the good work after he's out.

    Warren is better served in other positions.
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    Bernie with Yang as VP. how's that sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Bernie with Yang as VP. how's that sound?
    I generally roll my eyes when someone says 'too far left' but Sanders is already an uphill battle. Yang wouldn't be doing him any favors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Bernie with Yang as VP. how's that sound?
    Is Yang the one who hung himself on those "take your guns" comments? Or was that someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Warren's problem is she's too left wing and too outspoken. Everything else is noise.

    A VP needs to come across as the "good wife" (regardless of their sex). Supportive of the President, not too loud, not too aggressive. Very "mild-mannered".
    It can come off as misogynistic but I get what you are saying. I also agree, generally you want someone very loyal to your cause. Especially if you are fairly old.

    I do doubt her Left-Wing cred a bit, or compared to Bernie she isn't all there on a few things. But she is further Left than clearly many party goons want since she is never floated on their list of who they'd ratfuck it for. She is just enough not in Sanders camp that really I don't think she'd make a good partner.

    This is also why I doubt AOC as a choice. Bless her, but even on the campaign trail she often forgets to even mention who she is campaigning for.

    That is why I kinda settle on Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard; I can't think of anyone else who has suffered for Bernie's sake, who've shown that level of loyalty. Both have paid a huge price for their loyalty so I'd pick either one. While obviously I'm biased for Gabbard for her Hinduism; the objective part of me would say Turner is a safe choice because she is from Ohio and is well known there and right now IDK what Gabbards political goals are long term, I kinda think she is on her own quest now or already has some other arrangement with Sanders.

    Warren is a more useful Senator strategically; but she will have to win back favor with the Left after some of her stunts this campaign. She has made a lot of mistakes. But not fatal mistakes.
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    Petty gossip time.

    The candidates released their food budgets. Why? Its the law.

    Sanders spent most of his money on pizza. Bloomberg, on rich people stuff. Biden on Boomer stuff. Warren like Panera and bar food.

    Pete. Pete is normal right? Nothing that will play into charges against him, right. Just basic 38 year old stuff right?

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    Damn Pete! They are already out here calling you Wine Cave Pete. Then you spend most of your food budget at a winery. How do I defend this Pete? I can't. You should just drop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Is Yang the one who hung himself on those "take your guns" comments? Or was that someone else?
    Beto.

    Yang is $1,000 a month guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    just found out i cant vote for the democratic nominee because i registered as a republican when i was 18, because i'm fucking stupid. And so is this law.
    They screwed up my party and I had to change it, was more of a hassle than it should have been, but it could have been worse, fortunately since we have mail-in voting and I'm signed up for it, they sent me my ballot early so I noticed and had time to make the change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    My point is that Bernie does need a more moderate VP.
    I think he basically needs a Tim Kaine. A baffling VP for Hillary Clinton to have picked given that she needed to pick up minority voters and Bernie Sanders' left wing of the party, but he'd make more sense for Bernie Sanders to ground his campaign... if not for the fact that he's still another old white male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Beto.

    Yang is $1,000 a month guy.
    Ah thank you. I knew it was a 4-letter-name guy who wasn't "Pete".

    Speaking of which, Pete and Amy's last names will disqualify them from getting the nomination...short of everyone else dropping dead. "Obama" was odd, but easy odd. Every time I go to say Klobuchar I missay it as Klo-BUch-ar, and lightning strikes and horses whinny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    I think he basically needs a Tim Kaine. A baffling VP for Hillary Clinton to have picked given that she needed to pick up minority voters and Bernie Sanders' left wing of the party, but he'd make more sense for Bernie Sanders to ground his campaign... if not for the fact that he's still another old white male.
    Ugh I know. All the "good moderates" seem to be more old white men. If Buttigieg had any morals in him I'd have thought he might be a good pick but yeah...nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    It can come off as misogynistic but I get what you are saying. I also agree, generally you want someone very loyal to your cause. Especially if you are fairly old.

    I do doubt her Left-Wing cred a bit, or compared to Bernie she isn't all there on a few things. But she is further Left than clearly many party goons want since she is never floated on their list of who they'd ratfuck it for. She is just enough not in Sanders camp that really I don't think she'd make a good partner.

    This is also why I doubt AOC as a choice. Bless her, but even on the campaign trail she often forgets to even mention who she is campaigning for.
    In Warren and AOCs case they are both loud, outspoken women, which in a Presidency role is great, totally necessary. But in a VP role it'll work against them.

    That is why I kinda settle on Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard; I can't think of anyone else who has suffered for Bernie's sake, who've shown that level of loyalty. Both have paid a huge price for their loyalty so I'd pick either one. While obviously I'm biased for Gabbard for her Hinduism; the objective part of me would say Turner is a safe choice because she is from Ohio and is well known there and right now IDK what Gabbards political goals are long term, I kinda think she is on her own quest now or already has some other arrangement with Sanders.

    Warren is a more useful Senator strategically; but she will have to win back favor with the Left after some of her stunts this campaign. She has made a lot of mistakes. But not fatal mistakes.
    I don't know much about Turner to be honest, and IMO all Gabbard really brings is political baggage.

    Bernie basically needs a leftist Pete Buttigieg. Someone committed to the left (even if it's a mild left), speaks well, looks good and is substantially younger (50's or less).

    ALSO: why is the forum cutting off the ends of my posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It might go that high, but then again it might not. The real issue is the fatality rate, which seems to be exceedingly low - somewhere between 1-2% of those infected. That's not great, but it's not a pandemic, in the sense of results.
    Let's assume the lowest figures. 40% of the world, 1% fatality rate for those infected.

    That's a death toll of a little over 31 million people.

    That's up there with the worst pandemics we've seen. Not quite Smallpox levels, but catching up on the Spanish Flu and the HIV/AIDS pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Abrams? /10c
    Like Nurasu said, it was about Gabbard.

    As far as Abrams, I'm pretty neutral but do get annoyed when people throw her name around just trying to exploit her race and gender. You spent some effort trying to get Jetti to explain his pointless beef with her, but it would probably be constructive to get a little more dialogue about why she would be a good choice besides almost winning that crooked election.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Let's assume the lowest figures. 40% of the world, 1% fatality rate for those infected.

    That's a death toll of a little over 31 million people.

    That's up there with the worst pandemics we've seen. Not quite Smallpox levels, but catching up on the Spanish Flu and the HIV/AIDS pandemic.
    And then of course the issue will be dealing with all the dead, which will in turn cause it's own disease (even if more mundane ones) to spread in the aftermath, especially if large death tolls become isolated (ie: one town gets both a ridiculous infection and death rate), and worsened if those places are already unsanitary to begin with.
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    Given the way this has been handled I would be incredibly surprised if there hasn't been many thousands of Americans exposed to the virus by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Let's assume the lowest figures. 40% of the world, 1% fatality rate for those infected.

    That's a death toll of a little over 31 million people.

    That's up there with the worst pandemics we've seen. Not quite Smallpox levels, but catching up on the Spanish Flu and the HIV/AIDS pandemic.
    Also, there's reports suggesting a fatality rate closer to 10-15%, for more vulnerable demographics such as those aged 70+.

    This going to get ugly if it infects 40-70% of the global population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Let's assume the lowest figures. 40% of the world, 1% fatality rate for those infected.

    That's a death toll of a little over 31 million people.

    That's up there with the worst pandemics we've seen. Not quite Smallpox levels, but catching up on the Spanish Flu and the HIV/AIDS pandemic.
    But where are you getting the 40% from? And the fatality rate is from sub-first world country medical facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    But where are you getting the 40% from? And the fatality rate is from sub-first world country medical facilities.
    From a link in an earlier post you already responded to?

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...9#post52140949

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    I can say a lot of bad stuff about Tom Steyer politically and he tries too hard to seem like the 'good billionaire' but he isn't a bad person and obviously having fun...and his wife has a little bit of rhythm.

    https://twitter.com/chauntelpowell/s...11914686627840

    Also Sanders will be rallying with Public Enemy on Sunday. Definitely wish I could see that.

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    Did Bernie already destroy Democrat prospects for 2020 or only half way there? Sorry, I was not following a couple of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Did Bernie already destroy Democrat prospects for 2020 or only half way there? Sorry, I was not following a couple of days.
    Oh man are you in for a fun surprise.
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