1. #16421
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    That's not how viruses work.......
    i've heard of at least two cases where someone got released after being cleared, only to wind up back in the hospital and die.

  2. #16422
    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    People outside of Cuba can say what they want. The people that have fled his terror have a more accurate image of him given that theyve lived under his boot.

    Bernie ignores those people, in the same way he praised Venezuela and other failed authoritarian socialist projects
    You can actually pinpoint the exact moment when Bernie lost the nomination. It was the moment he endorsed Fidel Castro. It all started rolling downhill from there.

  3. #16423
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i've heard of at least two cases where someone got released after being cleared, only to wind up back in the hospital and die.
    Yes, because sometimes the tests can result in a false negative. There is currently literally no information or evidence to suggest you can be "re-infected", much less immediately.

    Don't speculate on medical shit if you're not a doctor. Listen to medical professionals and experts.

  4. #16424
    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    People outside of Cuba can say what they want. The people that have fled his terror have a more accurate image of him given that theyve lived under his boot.

    Bernie ignores those people, in the same way he praised Venezuela and other failed authoritarian socialist projects
    So is the agrument Cuba was much better off with a US controlled dictator and controlling government class? How were the living conditions that drove so many people to Castro in the first place?


    Actually that's probably a topic for another thread, but it's clear things aren't as black and white as the media or others within this forum would like to paint it.
    The worst part about the internet is that it let the truly crazy, racist, and bigots find each other easily.

  5. #16425
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    If the death rate is so high in America that millions of old people are dead, the country will already be in full collapse and people will have way more things to be worried about than the elections.
    i don't think it requires millions, but i also don't think it'd be surprising to hit very high thousands without younger people going too.

    it hits those numbers in the right states, it's poof for the conservative hopes. this will likely be the last conservative president the US ever has, too. demographics have changed too much to be sustainable. trump was always going to be the last, whether he got two terms or not. now with this virus speeding up demographic change, it's even more certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, because sometimes the tests can result in a false negative. There is currently literally no information or evidence to suggest you can be "re-infected", much less immediately.

    Don't speculate on medical shit if you're not a doctor. Listen to medical professionals and experts.
    yeah, i listened to them, that's specifically why i said that.

    the article flatly said that the japanese woman was either reinfected or corona has more than one phase to it.

  6. #16426
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    You can actually pinpoint the exact moment when Bernie lost the nomination. It was the moment he endorsed Fidel Castro. It all started rolling downhill from there.
    That's some great revisionist history... I'm sure it had nothing with a prominent black leader who dislikes Sanders backing segregate busing Biden or the Obama and DNC establishment doing one last act to secure the nomination. I'm not saying it wasn't a legit move, but to portray it as the Cuba thing is just dumb. Most Americans probably don't even know why we have an embargo against Cuba or the failed Bay of Pigs.
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  7. #16427
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i don't think it requires millions, but i also don't think it'd be surprising to hit very high thousands without younger people going too.

    it hits those numbers in the right states, it's poof for the conservative hopes. this will likely be the last conservative president the US ever has, too. demographics have changed too much to be sustainable. trump was always going to be the last, whether he got two terms or not. now with this virus speeding up demographic change, it's even more certain.
    It's nice to dream. But no, not all young people are Democratic supporters, that's a very silly thing to believe, just like not all old people are Republican supporters.

  8. #16428
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    yeah, i listened to them, that's specifically why i said that.

    the article flatly said that the japanese woman was either reinfected or corona has more than one phase to it.
    https://thehill.com/changing-america...onavirus-twice

    Scientists agree reinfection is an unlikely explanation for patients who test positive a second time, according to the Los Angeles Times, and note the possibility that testing errors, and releasing patients from hospitals too prematurely, are more likely the reason for reports of patients who retest positive.

    “If you get an infection, your immune system is revved up against that virus,” Keiji Fukuda, director of Hong Kong University’s School of Public Health, told the Los Angeles Times. “To get reinfected again when you’re in that situation would be quite unusual unless your immune system was not functioning right.”
    No clue what sources you're reading, but they seem like they're garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i've heard of at least two cases where someone got released after being cleared, only to wind up back in the hospital and die.
    Source? Cause like I said that isn't how viruses work. Once your body develops a resistance to it, that virus has to morph or that resistance has to weaken in order to reinfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    yeah, i listened to them, that's specifically why i said that.

    the article flatly said that the japanese woman was either reinfected or corona has more than one phase to it.
    Who. Lets see your source on this.
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  10. #16430
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    It's nice to dream. But no, not all young people are Democratic supporters, that's a very silly thing to believe, just like not all old people are Republican supporters.
    it's a mix of young and mexicans/other foreigners. they were mass imported over the years due to reagan-era corporate shills and dems. mass importation lead to immigrants with little or no respect for american values, and nothing's really changed with our immigration system to deal with it.

    like i said, demographics are changed. only thing that will keep conservative positions in place now is the supreme court, which i could see something being done to change that as well. it'd be a petulant child's behavior to change the rules of the game because you want to win it, but oh well.

  11. #16431
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Source? Cause like I said that isn't how viruses work. Once your body develops a resistance to it, that virus has to morph or that resistance has to weaken in order to reinfect.

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    Who. Lets see your source on this.
    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...-test-positive

  12. #16432
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    You can actually pinpoint the exact moment when Bernie lost the nomination. It was the moment he endorsed Fidel Castro. It all started rolling downhill from there.
    He didn't endorse Fidel Castro though, he said he liked that Castro improved the education rates of Cuba. That is it. Meanwhile, Trump has been pushing shit like white nationalists like Stephen Miller.

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    So this article is pointing to releasing them too soon, misdiagnosis, faulty testing methods, and the exact passage Edge just quoted.
    /s

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    The science surrounding these apparent reinfections is further complicated by China’s handling of the outbreak, which since January has been marred by faulty testing procedures and questionable case counting methods with shifting definitions. In addition, the overburdened healthcare system has put pressure on doctors to discharge people who may not have fully recovered to free up beds for newly infected patients.
    But the Communist Party’s early moves to suppress public knowledge on the extent of infections prompt concerns over the accuracy of information about recovered patients who retest positive but may have been misdiagnosed in the first place.
    But they are raising questions in China about the reliability of diagnostic tests, the possibility of reinfection and whether patients are wrongly designated as “recovered” and released too early from hospitals
    If helps if you actually read, but on to the real question again.

    So what was the name of the medical expert that said people were getting reinfected?
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  15. #16435
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    He didn't endorse Fidel Castro though, he said he liked that Castro improved the education rates of Cuba. That is it. Meanwhile, Trump has been pushing shit like white nationalists like Stephen Miller.
    So if a Democratic candidate said "Hitler did some great things actually", it wouldn't have raised a red flag.

  16. #16436
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Nothing in this I'd disagree with.

    "Returning to Normalcy" is embedded within it basically a total rejection of the idea that anything at all is bad in the United States; which would require IMHO literal blindness or severe low information brain to believe. MAGA, for all its faults had within it a logic you describe, that of actually doing something about the real material blight of the United States. American's admitting this country isn't currently the greatest single place ever, that actually this is a blighted place right now and we need to become better, we need to build something is profound in that way. Americans, especially boomer Americans, were publicly saying America wasn't awesome. Specifically Fox News watching Boomer Americans were saying this and embedding the logic in their brains. I personally did not expect the former John Steward Daily Show watching crowd to become Establishmentarians whom believed "Our sacred institutions!" and somehow become beltway dweebs, I did sincerely get taken aback by that. Watching people who said "No Blood for Oil!" during GWB presidency now post Henry Kissinger quotes and be very concerned and stan FBI and CIA goons is a trip.

    In the end, Trump himself is to me the least interesting or important thing going on right now. Buried in all this swirling noise is the fact that you either think the United States is basically a Gods Blessed Paradise with zero faults of its own, and likely any discontent is merely malcontents who lack sufficient piety in Americas Sacred Mission (TM) or people duped by dangerous foreign agents seeking to undermine the greatest holy empire on Earth, OR, you believe the United States is a gruesomely corrupt oligarchy with failed institutions, no services of any functional use for the masses and widespread poverty, drug dependency, debt and mental illness, where job security doesn't exist and entire generation is consigned to misery and won't have families or homes because we just decided that feeding the young to the proverbial Moloch for some extra GDP and stock valuations is a higher priority.

    If the United States is Gods Holy Empire on Earth, here to lead the world into the last, final and perfect way of life and culture, than sure "Return to Normalcy" makes some sense. After all any negativity is just some foreigner plot to undermine peoples absolute devotion and faith in the Great Work of America. If instead you look at America and see a festering Nurgle Rot, that the institutions actually caused this shit, that the country actually has serious long term chronic problems and that a lot of it, if not all of it, is political decision driven done internally and that people are abjectly suffering, than you really can't buy into that "Return to Normalcy" logic. For many Americans "Normalcy" being returned to is a return to hopeless agony with no conceivable end in sight.

    Even if you make a case for short term harm reduction, you essentially are consigning oneself to a repeat of the Trump moment. As the "Harm Reduction" case only works if you believe "Yes America is fucked up" but also "If we have some Normalcy maybe at least the people benefiting from the fucking up of America can breath". Back in 2016, the metaphor I used was California wildfires to describe this moment. The longer one delays a burn in the forest, the worse the inevitable fire will be. Things weren't managed well, decisions were made that actually made the forests sick and unhealthy, real policy was enacted that sincerely was believed to be good but actually was killing the forests; finally the rot had built up and BOOM fires, bad fires. We continue to try to just get back to the pre-wildfire normal, but the pre-wildfire normal CAUSED the wildfires, and the more we fight to "go back to normal" the worse the fires become. My stance on Biden is that a Biden presidency would assure a future Trump but significantly more morbid, one that would make Skroe look back longingly at this current Trump and probably say "He was actually a good president".

    I even early responded to Skroe, asking Exactly WHAT are you asking people to sacrifice for? Like NED says "I want government that does stuff" but doesn't elucidate that stuff, why M4A isn't that stuff that it should do. Buried in their Anti-Sanders push is basically "Give up all those tangible material benefits for Not-Trump, and um the Sacredness of our Institutions.... and a Government that ummm does something." like the heck does any of that even mean? You are right, Biden on this Not-Platform is screwed. Between having zero reason to be president other than Not-Trump (Sanders ALSO isn't Trump and actually wants to do something with the presidency) and probably having dementia, how on Earth is this a guy that is going to be really worth voting for?
    This guy has the answer for us:



    Just joking eh
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  17. #16437
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    So if a Democratic candidate said "Hitler did some great things actually", it wouldn't have raised a red flag.
    It would depend on what they say that Hitler did. But Stephen Miller is following the Nazi playbook with the concentration camps.

  18. #16438
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    You can actually pinpoint the exact moment when Bernie lost the nomination. It was the moment he endorsed Fidel Castro. It all started rolling downhill from there.
    Correlation <> causation.

    The tipping point was the Clyburn endorsement of Biden, which Sanders had no answer to. It re-secured Biden's lead in SC that lead to a complete domination of that state's primary, which then served as the clarion call for all the people terrified of a Sanders presidency, leading to the drop out and subsequent endorsements by Buttigieg and Klobuchar, which again Sanders had no answer to.

  19. #16439
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    People who fled are the most accurate picture? So, we aren't going to interrogate why they fled? Who were they before fleeing? Were they say part of Batista's government? Were they the beneficiaries of Batista's reign?

    And the people who have benefited? Their voices don't matter I guess.
    What a display of ignorance. Those that benefited from Batista fled early. The mariel boatlift happened more than 20 years later and were described by Cuban gov as the literal bottom of society.

    Nice to see that the leftists are willing to throw them under the bus because larping as a revolutionary is more important

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttwitch View Post
    So if a Democratic candidate said "Hitler did some great things actually", it wouldn't have raised a red flag.
    If they'd said something like "Hitler was, for better or for worse, one of the great orators of the 20th Century; his message was atrocious, but he swayed many to his cause" then no. There's no red flag there, and anyone who digs out their own red flags and starts waving them based on that is either an activist working for his enemies, or someone so willfully ignorant that you shouldn't listen to anything they're saying.

    And that's what Sanders said. That Castro's regime was awful, but one good thing they did was a literacy program. You keep lying about the first part, to misrepresent the second.

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