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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Are you just like, recycling conservative hot-takes on Twitter or something?
    Was this a rhetorical question?
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    One lone Republican, who has bucked the rest of his party periodically, says a thing.

    One Democrat running for president is still saying the same thing he's been saying since last year, and from a practical standpoint of "right now" is 100% correct.

    I don't know what dimension you're in either, but it looks like one with bad hot-takes.
    Mitt Romney seems to be the only Republican who has a brain of his own. Joe Biden has no brain as he forgot he wanted to freeze medicare, medicaid, and social security. Mitt Romney doesn't exactly fall in line with his party, but that's a good thing. Joe Biden is doing what his party wants, including no M4A. I don't care if M4A isn't possible, but Joe Biden should at least fight for it. Mitt Romney's temporary UBI is certainly not going to happen but at least he's somewhat trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I literally posted the link already... on the previous page.
    This report shows that NIH funding contributed to published research associated with every one of the 210 new drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration from 2010–2016. Collectively, this research involved >200,000 years of grant funding totaling more than $100 billion. The analysis shows that >90% of this funding represents basic research related to the biological targets for drug action rather than the drugs themselves. The role of NIH funding thus complements industry research and development, which focuses predominantly on applied research. This work underscores the breath and significance of public investment in the development of new therapeutics and the risk that reduced research funding would slow the pipeline for treating morbid disease.
    This sure looks like they're just counting up whether a released drug included any references to publicly funded research. That's a pretty wild standard for claiming that something should just be public domain, about on par with thinking that all computers are public domain since the initial development required government funding.

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    Coronavirus UBI talks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I really do tire of Sanders' supporters "We can afford a can of coke, so we can afford the Coca Cola Company" lines of argument.
    Except that is literally the opposite of what is happening right now. Right now we are paying more for something we definitely can get cheaper.

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    This is from the twitter so dunno how true it is or not but its interesting


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Mitt Romney a Republican wants to implement a temporary UBI until the crisis is over. Joe Biden a Democrat doesn't believe in a Medicare for All right now. Is this opposite day? Am I in a different dimension where Democrats lean right while Republicans lean left?
    I mean, why a temporary UBI?

    The entire point is that a permanent UBI creates a level baseline that mitigates the negative impacts of crisis events such as this, by empowering citizens to make better-informed choices and relying on that government support, rather than being forced by effective duress into making choices that are harmful to society (like continuing to work during a pandemic, because the alternative is personal financial collapse and homelessness).

    If you admit it makes sense here, then it always makes sense. The whole point is that this is no longer a discussion we need to keep having, once it's implemented. We can focus on real problems, because a lot of these will have been solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Coronavirus UBI talks...

    Andrew Yang has entered the chat.
    Trump's probably thinking of everything he can to save the economy, since it's been his key tailwind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    This is from the twitter so dunno how true it is or not but its interesting
    That could really hurt the Democrats in the General Election a decent percentage of those elderly contract the virus. That's is a mute point, as the real problem is the DNC and States are showing poor concern for this world pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I mean, why a temporary UBI?
    Probably because they are looking for a temporary solution? Honestly though I don't think this is the silver bullet to our problems but it would help millions of the working poor and if success could be all we need to show how effective it is can be. Which can be used to make a case for a permanent UBI later.
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    Very curious to see how much lower turnout is today for these primaries (which btw, should absolutely have been delayed) and more importantly, how many people are going to contract corona by going into such a crowded area. Most voters tend to be older (and honestly, im willing to bet younger voters are more likely to stay home during a pandemic) so this kind of thing is actually dangerous. I don't know how absentee ballots work in these states but i really hope everyone who could is mailing in their vote rather than going in person.

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    i do hope a UBI plan gets implemented. this is exactly what's needed right now.

    then it can be shown how successful it was once it ends, and then i can sit on my happy ass and game forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    That could really hurt the Democrats in the General Election a decent percentage of those elderly contract the virus. That's is a mute point, as the real problem is the DNC and States are showing poor concern for this world pandemic.
    does it actually hurt the dems though? cause most old people vote republican.

    i guess you gotta consider that maybe conservative young people vote more than liberal young people, and that could cause issues. though the amount of conservative young likely doesn't even add up to the tiny amount of liberal young that vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i do hope a UBI plan gets implemented. this is exactly what's needed right now.

    then it can be shown how successful it was once it ends, and then i can sit on my happy ass and game forever.

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    does it actually hurt the dems though? cause most old people vote republican.

    i guess you gotta consider that maybe conservative young people vote more than liberal young people, and that could cause issues. though the amount of conservative young likely doesn't even add up to the tiny amount of liberal young that vote.
    I had watched a video that said Arizona GOP had cancelled their primary and given Trump is the presumptive nominee seeing how no one is even close at this point. I can see that trend continuing. Now yes old people stick together, but that just continues to show the lack of concern for those actually at risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I mean, why a temporary UBI?

    The entire point is that a permanent UBI creates a level baseline that mitigates the negative impacts of crisis events such as this, by empowering citizens to make better-informed choices and relying on that government support, rather than being forced by effective duress into making choices that are harmful to society (like continuing to work during a pandemic, because the alternative is personal financial collapse and homelessness).

    If you admit it makes sense here, then it always makes sense. The whole point is that this is no longer a discussion we need to keep having, once it's implemented. We can focus on real problems, because a lot of these will have been solved.
    I totally agree but if we can't agree on M4A then UBI seems like a fairy tale among Democrats and Republicans. I would be scared if they agreed with a UBI, because that means these politicians see what I see which is that capitalism is about to implode. I wonder why Bill Gates stepped down from Microsoft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    Trump's probably thinking of everything he can to save the economy, since it's been his key tailwind.
    I'm sure it has to do with socialism for the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I just heard the phrase, "Can't stop the Joementum!", and I'm actually okay with that.
    I'm quietly wondering if I'm the only one remembering Joe Lieberman using that same pun 20 years ago.

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    The fact that Florida's polls are still opens shows how incompetent the Republican party are on R. Wouldn't be surprised if they did this on Purpose for Lower Voter Turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    The fact that Florida's polls are still opens shows how incompetent the Republican party are on R. Wouldn't be surprised if they did this on Purpose for Lower Voter Turnout.
    Our polls are still open here in Illinois too. By me at least they're wiping down the screens after every voter and are only allowing a handful of people in at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Our polls are still open here in Illinois too. By me at least they're wiping down the screens after every voter and are only allowing a handful of people in at a time.
    fair enough, IMO both should be delayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    The fact that Florida's polls are still opens shows how incompetent the Republican party are on R. Wouldn't be surprised if they did this on Purpose for Lower Voter Turnout.
    While out of Tom Perez hands, he seemed to fully support it when he should be calling for it to be delayed.

    https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1239725245889724416

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9407876.html

    Mr Perez was attacked for potentially exposing people to coronavirus, even though he said it was up to individual states to decide whether to proceed.

    “Reports coming in from IL primary are mind-bogglingly bad: voters being turned away from understaffed polls in droves, totally unsanitary conditions, elderly at extreme risk,” tweeted Thea Riofrancos, a writer and political scientist based in Rhode Island.

    “Meanwhile Tom Perez and DNC are scrambling to save face. Shows you exactly what their priorities are.”

    A person tweeting under the handle Rebecca Pearl and apparently working at the Illinois primary, tweeted a long thread claiming to have no cleaning supplies, or the correct ballot equipment.

    She wrote: “Election Day so far: 5/8 election staff are elderly, we were provided with no cleaning supplies, we are missing an ENTIRE blue box (meaning anyone who comes to this precinct cannot vote), we are missing 2 election judges & nobody is answering our calls..”

    Cynthia Nixon, the actress who in 2018, unsuccessfully ran to be governor of New York, tweeted: “I don’t understand why anyone besides a health expert in pandemics is deciding whether states should be voting in person tomorrow. Who cares what @TomPerez thinks?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    While out of Tom Perez hands, he seemed to fully support it when he should be calling for it to be delayed.

    https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1239725245889724416

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9407876.html
    What is that article even. The DNC doesn't handle polling stations, state Democratic parties do. If they're unprepared, that's on them. The only time it would fall back on the DNC, who can't tell the state parties what to do, is if the state party requested support and was stonewalled.

    I mean, Perez is damned if he does anything, damned if he doesn't do something.

    Calls for a recount in Iowa so that no campaign would need to be the ones to ask? Accused of putting his thumb on the scale!
    Staying out of it in IL and letting the state party handle things? Why isn't he getting involved?!

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    Welp Bernie got blown out in Florida. He's down by almost 500k votes at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What is that article even. The DNC doesn't handle polling stations, state Democratic parties do. If they're unprepared, that's on them. The only time it would fall back on the DNC, who can't tell the state parties what to do, is if the state party requested support and was stonewalled.

    I mean, Perez is damned if he does anything, damned if he doesn't do something.

    Calls for a recount in Iowa so that no campaign would need to be the ones to ask? Accused of putting his thumb on the scale!
    Staying out of it in IL and letting the state party handle things? Why isn't he getting involved?!
    He could have spoke out and called on them to be delayed, he is the leader of the DNC and I would think he wouldn't be so nonchalant about it.

    All he needs to do is support the advice of the CDC. Seems pretty simple.
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