Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Draco-Onis]

For the most part, yes.

And do you know what you can't count on any hands?

The number of times the GOP has taken the presidents budget and tried to push it through. Because despite pushes, they don't have to do shit on that front.

The GOP of the past I would agree but can you honestly say with a straight face that they wouldn't bow down if Trump really wanted it?

[Themius]

Exactly are are people scared about when it comes to Bernie Sanders like seriously? What the fuck is the worry with... him?

[Elegiac]

Exactly are are people scared about when it comes to Bernie Sanders like seriously? What the fuck is the worry with... him?

The disturbing number of his supporters that have internalised the belief that "identity politics" are mutually exclusive with their economic goals.

[Edge-]

The GOP of the past I would agree but can you honestly say with a straight face that they wouldn't bow down if Trump really wanted it?

Again, how many presidential budgets has the current GOP legislature actually paid attention to or cared about?

Because the answer isn't 3. It isn't 2. And it's not 1, either. The answer is 0.

They may bow down to Trump on most matters, most majority legislatures give deference to the president if they're from the same party, but budgets are one topic where Legislatures have consistently exerted their independence from the Executive branch.

[Levelfive]

so are we or are we not going to have to compromise with the repubs or dems who don't necessarily agree? the article you wanted me to read said to eliminate the filibuster.
that takes out a big check the minority has on the majority, and it won't just be a blow to repubs but to the dems as well. why not, you know, codify the procedures instead?
every time you shift your argument you say i am "mischaracterizing" it.

Unless you can point to where I've said "we'll get everything we want and never have to deal with the opposing party again" or "eliminate the rules entirely," then yes, you are deliberately mischaracterizing my arguments--that's not me shifting them; it's you being dishonest because your position is weak, exemplified by the fact that you didn't answer the question--what do you think a good solution is?

[PACOX]

Exactly are are people scared about when it comes to Bernie Sanders like seriously? What the fuck is the worry with... him?

Work.

Why pick Sanders, some who asks that you fight hard with him when you can Pete, you're standard boilerplate seat filler who you'll never have to hear from again?

That's all I come up with.

[downnola]

what do you think a good solution is?

Salt the earth once Dems have power.

[JohnBrown1917]

Exactly are are people scared about when it comes to Bernie Sanders like seriously? What the fuck is the worry with... him?

Evil left-wing policies.

[Draco-Onis]

Again, how many presidential budgets has the current GOP legislature actually paid attention to or cared about.

You did not answer the question, Do you honestly think today's GOP wouldn't bow down if Trump wanted his budget passed? not historical now because if you think today's GOP would say no to him I have to question where you have been these last three years.

most majority legislatures give deference to the president if they're from the same party, but budgets are one topic where Legislatures have consistently exerted their independence from the Executive branch.

Mitch McConnell: I won't bring any bills that the president doesn't approve of.

[Rasulis]

Bidens biggest issue I think is going to be running out of money. Until/unless he puts up some HUGE win in SC he is really hand to mouth fund raising as he has basically been in coronation mode and not really ramping up his money machine. I think even warren probably is better suited for going the distance money wise than biden is. So if biden can't show the money guys he does have something fast they are going to aim that money somewhere else.

This is probably true of all Democratic candidates. Including Sanders. Especially if Sanders decide not to accept any financial support from Democratic's billionaires during the general election. Could he compete against Trump only with small-dollar contributions? Maybe. Hard to say. It will definitely be a first.

[starlord]

Unless you can point to where I've said "we'll get everything we want and never have to deal with the opposing party again" or "eliminate the rules entirely," then yes, you are deliberately mischaracterizing my arguments--that's not me shifting them; it's you being dishonest because your position is weak, exemplified by the fact that you didn't answer the question--what do you think a good solution is?

i already told you. the problem is that a lot of senate rules are not legally binding. so make them. thats a better solution than handicapping the minority. our government is designed to ensure that there be negotiation.
what is your problem with the legislature working together on something (compromising) if you admit that it is necessary? why call it "delusional"?

[Edge-]

You did not answer the question, Do you honestly think today's GOP wouldn't bow down if Trump wanted his budget passed? not historical now because if you think today's GOP would say no to him I have to question where you have been these last three years.

Yes, I think they would. Because his budgets would lose them Senate seats, and McConnell has clearly signaled that while he'll back the president he's not going to put the Senate at risk if he can avoid it.

Mitch McConnell: I won't bring any bills that the president doesn't approve of.

The president doesn't have a choice with budgets. The last time Trump shut down the government for weeks and it was a gigantic shit sammich for Trump and the GOP.

[Themius]

The disturbing number of his supporters that have internalised the belief that "identity politics" are mutually exclusive with their economic goals.

That isn’t it at all stop. What about his POLICIES scares you.

[Levelfive]

i already told you. the problem is that a lot of senate rules are not legally binding. so make them. thats a better solution than handicapping the minority. our government is designed to ensure that there be negotiation.
what is your problem with the legislature working together on something (compromising) if you admit that it is necessary? why call it "delusional"?

It's delusional because Republicans aren't playing by the rules, have no intention to do so, and have no interest in compromising with Democrats. In fact, they are doing everything they can to make sure Democrats don't have a seat at the table.

This is probably true of all Democratic candidates. Including Sanders. Especially if Sanders decide not to accept any financial support from Democratic's billionaires during the general election. Could he compete against Trump only with small-dollar contributions? Maybe. Hard to say. It will definitely be a first.

I mean, Sanders has his own dark money with Our Revolution.

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Salt the earth once Dems have power.

I wish I thought you were wrong.

[Draco-Onis]

Yes, I think they would. Because his budgets would lose them Senate seats, and McConnell has clearly signaled that while he'll back the president he's not going to put the Senate at risk if he can avoid it.



The president doesn't have a choice with budgets. The last time Trump shut down the government for weeks and it was a gigantic shit sammich for Trump and the GOP.

We will have to agree to disagree as for the shit sammich it did absolutely nothing to his base not in any metric that mattered.

[Omega10]

i already told you. the problem is that a lot of senate rules are not legally binding. so make them. thats a better solution than handicapping the minority. our government is designed to ensure that there be negotiation.
what is your problem with the legislature working together on something (compromising) if you admit that it is necessary? Why call it "delusional"?

Because, when Obama was President, republicans chose to sabotage Obama rather than negotiate and compromise.

It is reasonable to expect that they would do the same again should a Democrat win.

[Themius]

i already told you. the problem is that a lot of senate rules are not legally binding. so make them. thats a better solution than handicapping the minority. our government is designed to ensure that there be negotiation.
what is your problem with the legislature working together on something (compromising) if you admit that it is necessary? why call it "delusional"?

Lol where is the negotiation?

I don't want to negotiate with bigots, fuck them.

"let's find a nice compromise so you can discriminate against gay people" isn't passable.

[tyrlaan]

The disturbing number of his supporters that have internalised the belief that "identity politics" are mutually exclusive with their economic goals.

I've read this multiple times and have no clue what you are trying to say here. I presume in part because all politics are identity politics, which is probably diluting the point you are trying to make. Perhaps an example of what you're getting at would be handy?

On the other hand, this is a clear tee up to hate on a candidate because you've decided their supporters are problematic, which means you are ignoring the fact that every candidate has problematic supporters but the MSM is in love with singling out Sanders supporters for this. AND, honestly, answering the "why are you scared of Bernie" by pointing at other people feels like a cop out answer anyway.

[Draco-Onis]

i already told you. the problem is that a lot of senate rules are not legally binding. so make them.

circular logic as we have seen the senate can easily undo or ignore its own rules , what would be the point?

[nonameelf]

The disturbing number of his supporters that have internalised the belief that "identity politics" are mutually exclusive with their economic goals.

The bad kind of identity politics were on full display last night when Biden tried to play the race card with Sanders' opposition to Obama's policies. If you don't understand why some people on the left are tired of that shit too then I don't know what to tell you.