Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[kaelleria]

Welp Bernie got blown out in Florida. He's down by almost 500k votes at this point.

[kaelleria]

FL has been called for Biden.

[szechuan]

Welp Bernie got blown out in Florida. He's down by almost 500k votes at this point.

Bernie is clearly done for, elections in America are a joke.

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All he needs to do is support the advice of the CDC. Seems pretty simple.

Judges can ignore the Governor's Requests of postponing Elections.

[JohnBrown1917]

the US sure loves its youth voter suppression.

[Edge-]

the US sure loves its youth voter suppression.

Alternatively, young voters don't show the fuck up to vote. Yeah, lines exist (they do for non-college voters too) and that's a problem, but there's no evidence of voter suppression that I've seen. Sanders just can't get his core constituency out to the polls.

[Shadowferal]

Biden was expected to win FLA anyway.

[Edge-]

They may not but States still opening the polls are asking for Low Voter Turnout, which more then likely would hurt Bernie even more in Delegates even if he may not win.

If anything, it's more likely to hurt Biden given that he leans more on older voters who are more likely to avoid the polls.

Younger voters avoid the polls regardless, so I doubt it will have a huge impact on them.

[kaelleria]

Turnout actually looks about on track with 2016... Maybe higher. There was a lot of early voting.

1.6m votes have been counted in Florida at the moment. There was 1.7m in 2016. Bernie's vote share went down significantly from last go around.

[Shadowferal]

[d00mGuArD]

Bernie is clearly done for, elections in America are a joke.

You mean the democratic party's primary elections. Why are they a joke?

the US sure loves its youth voter suppression.

There have indeed been many accusations against the democrats in these primaries, from democrats themselves.
At this point I think they accuse voter suppression vs no matter who, no matter when, even themselves.

It is just the default phrase. Like a meme or something.

[Kasierith]

Turnout actually looks about on track with 2016... Maybe higher. There was a lot of early voting.

1.6m votes have been counted in Florida at the moment. There was 1.7m in 2016. Bernie's vote share went down significantly from last go around.

I find it hard to imagine that him praising Castro didn't have an impact on a lot of people there who might have otherwise have supported him or stay home. The nuanced academic angle only goes so with people whose families and lives were devastated by a despot

[kaelleria]

Illinois has been called for Biden. Not much reporting yet, but we're looking at around a ~60-35% margin.

[Corvus]

Bit of a bad day for Bernie.

[Zaydin]

Illinois has been called for Biden. Not much reporting yet, but we're looking at around a ~60-35% margin.

Bernie needs to drop out now.

[Endus]

I find it hard to imagine that him praising Castro didn't have an impact on a lot of people there who might have otherwise have supported him or stay home. The nuanced academic angle only goes so with people whose families and lives were devastated by a despot

Let's not pretend that's a reasonable reaction.

It's an emotion-driven kneejerk response that's driven by internal biases and prejudices, not by an analysis of the facts at hand.

It's not that functionally different from saying "yeah, but of course White Southerners didn't vote for Obama; they're racist." That's an explanation, but it's not an excuse, and people reacting like that should have their poor decision-making called out to them. They shouldn't get a pass on it.

That specific dynamic is not a case of Bernie failing the electorate. It's a case of the electorate failing to make any effort to properly understand Bernie. They're the ones fucking that up, not Sanders.

[kaelleria]

Let's not pretend that's a reasonable reaction.

It's an emotion-driven kneejerk response that's driven by internal biases and prejudices, not by an analysis of the facts at hand.

It's not that functionally different from saying "yeah, but of course White Southerners didn't vote for Obama; they're racist." That's an explanation, but it's not an excuse, and people reacting like that should have their poor decision-making called out to them. They shouldn't get a pass on it.

That specific dynamic is not a case of Bernie failing the electorate. It's a case of the electorate failing to make any effort to properly understand Bernie. They're the ones fucking that up, not Sanders.

The ol' low information voters schtick huh?

[Zaydin]

Christ you people are fucking retards. Your country is in the grip of a pandemic, and the only guy who would have protected you from it being dumped in favor of a Trump clone. Do you STILL not understand why socialism is a good thing? Even when EVERYONE wants and needs the state to take charge?

To be honest I'm wondering if this virus isn't doing nature's work and weeding out the stupid.

Biden is not a Trump clone. Anyone saying that is either uninformed or dishonest.

[NED funded]

The ol' low information voters schtick huh?

Its funnier because Endus is essentially victim blaming Cubans for having a trauma due Castro's regimes

[Kasierith]

Let's not pretend that's a reasonable reaction.

It's an emotion-driven kneejerk response that's driven by internal biases and prejudices, not by an analysis of the facts at hand.

It's not that functionally different from saying "yeah, but of course White Southerners didn't vote for Obama; they're racist." That's an explanation, but it's not an excuse, and people reacting like that should have their poor decision-making called out to them. They shouldn't get a pass on it.

That specific dynamic is not a case of Bernie failing the electorate. It's a case of the electorate failing to make any effort to properly understand Bernie. They're the ones fucking that up, not Sanders.

I never said otherwise. I've gone for the nuanced angle myself plenty of times. I have no problems saying "Castro was shit, and what few good thing he did do had a secondary agenda of manipulating the public, but there are good things we can draw from how he implemented those.". But Castro is not an ephereal spectre in history for these people. It's like going up to a Holocaust survivor and saying "ya, I know Hitler was bad, but he had some great thoughts on emotive public speaking that we could learn from." Is it true? Yes. Is it going to be well received?

And ultimately, it is on Sanders. There is nothing that compelled him to set up this hill and fortify it. He chose to defend a topic that is very thorny to a lot of people, specifically in Florida, and tripled down on it. At a certain point, its him not comprehending the very real impact that Castro had on a lot of people still living today.

[Corvus]

Christ you people are fucking retards. Your country is in the grip of a pandemic, and the only guy who would have protected you from it being dumped in favor of a Trump clone. Do you STILL not understand why socialism is a good thing? Even when EVERYONE wants and needs the state to take charge?

To be honest I'm wondering if this virus isn't doing nature's work and weeding out the stupid.

Just how would Bernie protect people from it? Laying his hands on them and blessing them?

Bernie's plan would not help people now, during the crisis, which is the issue. You need concrete plans for dealing with the crisis while it occurs, and overhauling the system in the middle of it would just make it worse. When the crisis is gone, then you can fix up the broken system.

The state taking charge during a crisis is not socialism either.