[8.2] Eternal Palace - World First Thread

[Kers]

It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.

It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

This was just perfect play.

[KaPe]

It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.

Well, they tried to prevent that with Jaina's Iceblock, but forgot to make it active during the intermission. It would have prevented the zerg for at least one week if they did it "correctly". Who knows, maybe they'll try again - perhaps in a "boss will Bloodlust the same time you do, so your tanks won't survive this phase" kind of way.

Boss reacting to major cooldowns is a neat idea anyway, they should try it more often. Maybe detonate the barrier if it gets used or something.

[Woobels]

It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

This was just perfect play.

I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.

[Life-Binder]

Method proves yet again they are the best guild in WoWs history

[Popastique]

It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

This was just perfect play.

Not just 2 healers, but boomkins, spriests and even tanks doing some healing when it is needed.

[-aiko-]

Well, they tried to prevent that with Jaina's Iceblock, but forgot to make it active during the intermission. It would have prevented the zerg for at least one week if they did it "correctly". Who knows, maybe they'll try again - perhaps in a "boss will Bloodlust the same time you do, so your tanks won't survive this phase" kind of way.

Less predictability would be nice. When was the last time we had a proper awesome "secret phase" that forces guilds to adapt?
I loved this race but I hate the fight. Even on Heroic Azshara just feels like ass. Really not looking forward to Mythic.

[Kers]

I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.

Yeah they were in too deep. Cutting a healer or moving BL to a different phase COMPLETELY changes your whole strategy (timings, cooldowns, positioning, weakauras, ....). It's basically starting all over again, they couldn't do that.

[-aiko-]

I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.

It's mostly that. It's not really as simple as just dropping a healer. It means they need to re-work a lot of timings and in a lot of ways re-progress.

[Relapses]

It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.

That's just it. It's entirely possible for Blizzard to design an encounter that essentially becomes impossible without additional healers. P4 wasn't tested on the PTR so nobody could have predicted whether that was a factor. If that were the case, it's very real Method would be looking like idiots right about now while everybody would be singing praises for Limit essentially "outplaying" Method. There really can't be a "meta" when you're talking about unknown encounter territory.

[Jdance]

How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play

[hellhamster]

How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play

If the add spawns before the transition, it's pretty much a guaranteed wipe. Going 3 healers into the second phase without BL guarantees the add spawning. In a parallel universe, Limit's decision might have been the right call. But p4 is just too much boss hp to burn to not have lust on.

[Jdance]

I'm aware. They had to stop dps the majority of pulls to stop from pushing too early, though. Part of the reason Method is so successful is because how flexible they are.

Limit should have swapped to 2 healers as soon as they saw methods progression in phase 4. But instead they stuck to their ego and continued to use a strat that doesn't work. There really is no excuse for this

[-aiko-]

How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play

It's only the easiest phase because they were lusting it. Or, in the case of Method, 2 healing it with 1 healer essentially focusing on damage anyway.

If that indomitable add spawns it's game over.

[Relapses]

If the add spawns before the transition, it's pretty much a guaranteed wipe. Going 3 healers into the second phase without BL guarantees the add spawning. In a parallel universe, Limit's decision might have been the right call. But p4 is just too much boss hp to burn to not have lust on.

Perhaps Limit was banking on there being another phase? Who knows. Hindsight is 20/20. WF is already over, nobody will really give two shits about what motivated guilds to use the strats they did, they're only going to remember who got it first. Which kind of sucks.

[Jdance]

However, it is unlikely that limits healers are good enough to 2 heal. Method had a comp with a ton of offhealing as well. They're just miles ahead in planning.

[-aiko-]

Limit should have swapped to 2 healers as soon as they saw methods progression in phase 4. But instead they stuck to their ego and continued to use a strat that doesn't work. There really is no excuse for this

It's not ego...every other guild besides Method is 3-healing because it's safer. Most guilds moving forward will use the 3-heal strat.

Method's strategy was far, far less consistent. But when they did get to P4 the extra DPS let them burn through and ignore a mechanic (console).

[Clozer]

How did they know that they have to 2 heal it from the very first pulls already. These guys are simply amazing.

[Shurkien]

Wheres the guy who wanted to eat a shoe if Method 2 heal it?

[-aiko-]

How did they know that they have to 2 heal it from the very first pulls already. These guys are simply amazing.

Risk vs reward.

The fight is low on healing requirements. Since you have the hp debuff the fight doesn't have high consistent raid damage. It's about damage in bursts. So dropping as many healers as you can is obvious and I have no doubt most guilds thought about it and came to the conclusion that 3 is the most comfortable. Method just took it one step further, banking on being able to get perfect pulls and burning the last phase while ignoring some mechanics. Kind of similar again to how they approached Jaina.

It's also why their MDI team is so strong. They will take risks and commit to them.

[WhatIsLegion]

Limit should have swapped to 2 healers as soon as they saw methods progression in phase 4. But instead they stuck to their ego and continued to use a strat that doesn't work. There really is no excuse for this

Wasn't ego at all, Limit talked about how for Jaina one of their biggest mistakes was flip flopping between strategies and not sticking it out. They stuck with their strategy this time and still got decently close to a kill. Unfortunately for them and everyone else three healing the boss got nerfed in a way that benefited Methods strategy more.