View Poll Results: Who are you rooting for to claim QUEEN AZSHARA?

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  • Method [EU]

    325 54.71%
  • Limit [US]

    176 29.63%
  • Big Dumb Guild [US]

    6 1.01%
  • ANY ALLIANCE GUILD

    49 8.25%
  • OTHER

    38 6.40%
  1. #2941
    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Method are just thoroughly better man, one less day of progression and still killed azshara with fewer pulls than Limit. Haters should quit being salty
    Err the time and pull advantage meant zero after the nerf's. Absolutely nothing. There was 4 guilds pretty much all stuck at the same point.

  2. #2942
    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpySnowflake View Post
    Really hope Paragon v2.0 would emerge to knock Method off the perch. Getting boring. Still - gz!
    No guild with the skills or next level strats exist.

    Even method's rag 25 heroic strats were so bad compared to Paragon which is why Paragon won by over a week, nobody used methods strat to kill it but it was the norm to do it the paragon way.

  3. #2943
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    Quote Originally Posted by -aiko- View Post
    It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.
    It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

    All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

    Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

    This was just perfect play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -aiko- View Post
    It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.
    Well, they tried to prevent that with Jaina's Iceblock, but forgot to make it active during the intermission. It would have prevented the zerg for at least one week if they did it "correctly". Who knows, maybe they'll try again - perhaps in a "boss will Bloodlust the same time you do, so your tanks won't survive this phase" kind of way.

    Boss reacting to major cooldowns is a neat idea anyway, they should try it more often. Maybe detonate the barrier if it gets used or something.

  5. #2945
    Quote Originally Posted by Kers View Post
    It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

    All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

    Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

    This was just perfect play.
    I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.

  6. #2946
    Method proves yet again they are the best guild in WoWs history

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kers View Post
    It's not meta when only 1 guild does it.

    All guilds could have tried cutting healers, why would you even say "unless Blizzard changes things up". What's there to "change up"?

    Not every guild can do this boss with Method's strat, they have the best healers in the world in their roster.

    This was just perfect play.
    Not just 2 healers, but boomkins, spriests and even tanks doing some healing when it is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    Well, they tried to prevent that with Jaina's Iceblock, but forgot to make it active during the intermission. It would have prevented the zerg for at least one week if they did it "correctly". Who knows, maybe they'll try again - perhaps in a "boss will Bloodlust the same time you do, so your tanks won't survive this phase" kind of way.
    Less predictability would be nice. When was the last time we had a proper awesome "secret phase" that forces guilds to adapt?
    I loved this race but I hate the fight. Even on Heroic Azshara just feels like ass. Really not looking forward to Mythic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woobels View Post
    I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.
    Yeah they were in too deep. Cutting a healer or moving BL to a different phase COMPLETELY changes your whole strategy (timings, cooldowns, positioning, weakauras, ....). It's basically starting all over again, they couldn't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woobels View Post
    I mean Limit didn't even bother to try it, maybe because they were too deep in but still.
    It's mostly that. It's not really as simple as just dropping a healer. It means they need to re-work a lot of timings and in a lot of ways re-progress.

  11. #2951
    Quote Originally Posted by -aiko- View Post
    It's kind of the same story as Jaina. They are using the much safer strat but that doesn't win you a WF. It seems like the meta, unless Blizzard changes things up, is to always focus on burning the boss in the last phase.
    That's just it. It's entirely possible for Blizzard to design an encounter that essentially becomes impossible without additional healers. P4 wasn't tested on the PTR so nobody could have predicted whether that was a factor. If that were the case, it's very real Method would be looking like idiots right about now while everybody would be singing praises for Limit essentially "outplaying" Method. There really can't be a "meta" when you're talking about unknown encounter territory.

  12. #2952
    How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play

  13. #2953
    Let's be real, having Josh is like have 2 healers

  14. #2954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdance View Post
    How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play
    If the add spawns before the transition, it's pretty much a guaranteed wipe. Going 3 healers into the second phase without BL guarantees the add spawning. In a parallel universe, Limit's decision might have been the right call. But p4 is just too much boss hp to burn to not have lust on.

  15. #2955
    I'm aware. They had to stop dps the majority of pulls to stop from pushing too early, though. Part of the reason Method is so successful is because how flexible they are.

    Limit should have swapped to 2 healers as soon as they saw methods progression in phase 4. But instead they stuck to their ego and continued to use a strat that doesn't work. There really is no excuse for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdance View Post
    How could you possibly assume that lusting the easiest phase was ever the right play
    It's only the easiest phase because they were lusting it. Or, in the case of Method, 2 healing it with 1 healer essentially focusing on damage anyway.

    If that indomitable add spawns it's game over.

  17. #2957
    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    If the add spawns before the transition, it's pretty much a guaranteed wipe. Going 3 healers into the second phase without BL guarantees the add spawning. In a parallel universe, Limit's decision might have been the right call. But p4 is just too much boss hp to burn to not have lust on.
    Perhaps Limit was banking on there being another phase? Who knows. Hindsight is 20/20. WF is already over, nobody will really give two shits about what motivated guilds to use the strats they did, they're only going to remember who got it first. Which kind of sucks.

  18. #2958
    However, it is unlikely that limits healers are good enough to 2 heal. Method had a comp with a ton of offhealing as well. They're just miles ahead in planning.

  19. #2959
    Where's the guy who kept making the limit world first boss kill threads at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdance View Post
    Limit should have swapped to 2 healers as soon as they saw methods progression in phase 4. But instead they stuck to their ego and continued to use a strat that doesn't work. There really is no excuse for this
    It's not ego...every other guild besides Method is 3-healing because it's safer. Most guilds moving forward will use the 3-heal strat.

    Method's strategy was far, far less consistent. But when they did get to P4 the extra DPS let them burn through and ignore a mechanic (console).

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