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    If Xal'atath was actually Elune

    And she had been pretending to be a goddess, biding her time until a plan to be set free of the blade was complete

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    I think it's safe to say she's not.

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    I somehow doubt that Xal'atath would've aided Ysera by releasing her from corruption in Legion, protected Tyrande during the War of the Ancients, or had a hand in the creation of Cenarius. None of those things really seem like Xal'atath's particular bailiwick.
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    Makes no sense. the more likely thing is Elune was a void being at one point but isn't anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I somehow doubt that Xal'atath would've aided Ysera by releasing her from corruption in Legion, protected Tyrande during the War of the Ancients, or had a hand in the creation of Cenarius. None of those things really seem like Xal'atath's particular bailiwick.
    Here's the thing though.. she didn't AID Ysera. She killed her. And there is evidence that Elune didn't have to. She is the Goddess of balance, not niceness or fairness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowchikabow View Post
    Here's the thing though.. she didn't AID Ysera. She killed her. And there is evidence that Elune didn't have to. She is the Goddess of balance, not niceness or fairness.
    Based on her presence during the Xavius fight in the Emerald Nightmare and the presence of her shade in the Emerald Dream, it doesn't seem like she killed her either. Theoretically Elune could've vaporized the corrupted Ysera without allowing her to return to herself before her death - and it seems more likely to me that the assembled Druids, Priestesses, and the Champion were likely the ones who killed her to prevent her destroying the Temple of Elune in her Nightmare-induced madness.
    "The finest line of poetry ever uttered in the history of this whole damn country was said by Canada Bill Jones in 1853, in Baton Rouge, while he was being robbed blind in a crooked game of Faro. George Devol, who was, like Canada Bill, not a man who was averse to fleecing the odd sucker, drew Bill aside and asked him if he couldn't see that the game was crooked. And Canada Bill sighed, and shrugged his shoulders, and said, 'I know. But it's the only game in town.' And he went back to the game." -- Neil Gaiman, "American Gods"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Based on her presence during the Xavius fight in the Emerald Nightmare and the presence of her shade in the Emerald Dream, it doesn't seem like she killed her either. Theoretically Elune could've vaporized the corrupted Ysera without allowing her to return to herself before her death - and it seems more likely to me that the assembled Druids, Priestesses, and the Champion were likely the ones who killed her to prevent her destroying the Temple of Elune in her Nightmare-induced madness.
    Firstly, Elune is one of only 3 characters that is canonically able to resurrect. 2nd, I am suggesting that Elune was capable of fully sparing Ysera's life.. And specifically chose not to.

    To understand what I mean. Watch the Cinematic again... Pay special attention from 0:16 to 0:20, and 0:28 to 0:30.




    As you can see, in the first timestamp her eyes immediately revert to their previous form (Color and shape). the second timestamp shows her body gradually reverting ( Primarily color wise)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowchikabow View Post
    Firstly, Elune is one of only 3 characters that is canonically able to resurrect. 2nd, I am suggesting that Elune was capable of fully sparing Ysera's life.. And specifically chose not to.

    To understand what I mean. Watch the Cinematic again... Pay special attention from 0:16 to 0:20, and 0:28 to 0:30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmRJ-HD5x4


    As you can see, in the first timestamp her eyes immediately revert to their previous form (Color and shape). the second timestamp shows her body gradually reverting ( Primarily color wise)
    We don't know what we don't know - Ysera may have been too damaged to resurrect (physically or spiritually, as it were) or she may have refused it. As we see in the Emerald Dream quests in BfA, many of the Green Dragonflight have simply given up in light of the Emerald Dream's continued corruption by the Void despite Xavius' death. Elune's goals are completely inscrutable here, we don't know if she can resurrect a dead former Aspect, we don't know if Ysera even desired such, and we don't even know what really happened to her as she was raised into the sky and seemingly becomes a constellation? Given Ysera's later role in the Xavius fight and afterward, it is possible that Ysera hasn't been killed inasmuch as raised into a new manner of being entirely. We simply don't know.
    "The finest line of poetry ever uttered in the history of this whole damn country was said by Canada Bill Jones in 1853, in Baton Rouge, while he was being robbed blind in a crooked game of Faro. George Devol, who was, like Canada Bill, not a man who was averse to fleecing the odd sucker, drew Bill aside and asked him if he couldn't see that the game was crooked. And Canada Bill sighed, and shrugged his shoulders, and said, 'I know. But it's the only game in town.' And he went back to the game." -- Neil Gaiman, "American Gods"

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    I think Elune is the last link between Light and Void, the last one before the schism of these two universal powers.

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    BUT WERE THEY EVER SEEN IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER?!

    Yes, yes they were. Playing the Val'sharah questline finale as a shadow priest.

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    Then why would she call herself a pretender goddess and try to steal her own power in the Temple of Elune?

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    As much as I would love for Elune to be anything but a goddess, a void-being in knife form is too much of a stretch.

    Heh, imagine Cenarius as part-deer, part-knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    As much as I would love for Elune to be anything but a goddess, a void-being in knife form is too much of a stretch.

    Heh, imagine Cenarius as part-deer, part-knife.
    Whiles I'm sure some fans will get a kick about it, even at blizzard, it would really anger and annoy a lot of other fans... and blizzard should take note from past times when they did stuff like that seemed a cool twist to them and some in the crowd, but a lot of people were annoyed out - remember the night elf origin that was retconned in wc3 and had them come from trolls.. sounded cool, but a lot of peeps hated it.

    When you introduce lore in a certain way, and people really like it, don't go and recast it for the sake of a twist, even if that twist is a bit funny, if it is in a bad way, like spitting on something people came to treasure,while it may please osme fans, it will cause others to lose a lot of confidence in the integrity of your work, and not take or like what you put out anywhere near as much.

    In other words, why piss on something dear to a lot of fans, just for a kick to a few? They've done this before and it has gone down badly overall every time, it pleased some, but it irritated a lot more, it was un-necessary and their work was less because of it.

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    Have you ever levelled a Night Elf? If you do, I suggest a hunter, priest or druid. I look at the "she's not as good as you think" posts and I'm convinced (I could be wrong) that there is a detachment from NE culture. Levelling a Night Elf, you'll learn plenty about Elune and it just doesn't fit with this description. The NE are the only race, as far as I know, which has had an unbroken, reverance for Elune. There are countless races around us which have forsaken her, they don't know her any more. She's infused in NE culture however, which is why I'd recommend it, from level 1 to 120.

    I'm increasingly convinced that she does balance *something* like the Light and the Void. But who knows.

    Watching more Nobbel videos, I just see so many levels of being and power. The titans are among the biggest that we've had direct contact with and actually know something about. Eonar in Legion hid from the Burning Legion on the planet Elunaria. Clearly, Elune is above even her. I look back at that as a simple, but powerful statement.

    There was info. posted recently as "an inside leak" about the next expac. suggesting that Elune may have made a bad, costly bargain, but really that's far from established, it's just speculation. There's plenty in the game we can work off, as others have listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Whiles I'm sure some fans will get a kick about it, even at blizzard, it would really anger and annoy a lot of other fans... and blizzard should take note from past times when they did stuff like that seemed a cool twist to them and some in the crowd, but a lot of people were annoyed out - remember the night elf origin that was retconned in wc3 and had them come from trolls.. sounded cool, but a lot of peeps hated it.

    When you introduce lore in a certain way, and people really like it, don't go and recast it for the sake of a twist, even if that twist is a bit funny, if it is in a bad way, like spitting on something people came to treasure,while it may please osme fans, it will cause others to lose a lot of confidence in the integrity of your work, and not take or like what you put out anywhere near as much.

    In other words, why piss on something dear to a lot of fans, just for a kick to a few? They've done this before and it has gone down badly overall every time, it pleased some, but it irritated a lot more, it was un-necessary and their work was less because of it.
    Actually they shouldn't. Making creative choices because some people might not like it and get mad is a good way to handicap you creatively. Not saying that their story has ever been amazing, because no Blizzard story in any game has ever really been good. But if they have an ideal they like and have to stop and think if it will make some people mad, that is just a bad way of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Whiles I'm sure some fans will get a kick about it, even at blizzard, it would really anger and annoy a lot of other fans... and blizzard should take note from past times when they did stuff like that seemed a cool twist to them and some in the crowd, but a lot of people were annoyed out - remember the night elf origin that was retconned in wc3 and had them come from trolls.. sounded cool, but a lot of peeps hated it.

    When you introduce lore in a certain way, and people really like it, don't go and recast it for the sake of a twist, even if that twist is a bit funny, if it is in a bad way, like spitting on something people came to treasure,while it may please osme fans, it will cause others to lose a lot of confidence in the integrity of your work, and not take or like what you put out anywhere near as much.

    In other words, why piss on something dear to a lot of fans, just for a kick to a few? They've done this before and it has gone down badly overall every time, it pleased some, but it irritated a lot more, it was un-necessary and their work was less because of it.
    I agree with what you say, although I'm not sure that's the reason Blizz does retconn, rather than what I thought was 'revealing the right piece of the puzzle at the right time', sometimes lately, especially during BfA I think they may not have the mastery over the lore they make out they do. Also, as Youtuber Bellular says, the BfA storyline shows a swing towards shock/dramatic storytelling at the direct expense of authenticity. A good overview, when I look back.

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    Making Elune an evil void god, the being that the Night Elves have been following since their creation, would be the single most stupidest plot twist in history. But because Blizzard has a hard on for shitting on the Night Elves, I can see them going this route.

    There's a moment in the Tomb of Sargeras, after you defeat the Sisters of the Moon, where Xalatath tricks the shadowpriest player to absorb Elune's power with the blade. If they try it, Elune instantly smites them, and Xalatath laughs at their dead body. She plays a similar trick with Odyn, so its safe to say that Xalatath and Elune are not the same being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    Making Elune an evil void god, the being that the Night Elves have been following since their creation, would be the single most stupidest plot twist in history. But because Blizzard has a hard on for shitting on the Night Elves, I can see them going this route.

    There's a moment in the Tomb of Sargeras, after you defeat the Sisters of the Moon, where Xalatath tricks the shadowpriest player to absorb Elune's power with the blade. If they try it, Elune instantly smites them, and Xalatath laughs at their dead body. She plays a similar trick with Odyn, so its safe to say that Xalatath and Elune are not the same being.
    Sadly I can see this happening too, kicking night elves is the current writers' favorite pastime.

    On topic: yeah no, they're obviously not the same person, unless I ran around all of Legion with Elune swinging on my belt whispering sweet nothings in my ear.
    Xal'atath whispers: Your allies consider me a bad influence. Yet all I've ever done is speed you along the path you chose.

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