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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    So why are you still an American citizen if you hate us that much? Why haven't you immigrated?

    You're a Bernie guy aren't you?
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    I often worry that foreign intervention may eventually be necessary in my country. Politicians doing their very best to sow discord among citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Not familiar with that case. But I am of the Civil War here in the states. We sent hundreds of thousands of troops to restore lawful order/laws on several states.
    Mogudishu. We, with the help of the UN, tried to restore order in Somalia. Instead, we got caught in a 20+ hour gun battle in the city, 19 Americans were killed, and about 100X (the official numbers vary, anywhere from 500 to 5000) that died fighting against us.

    Rather than solving Somalia's problems, we kicked a hornets nest, made it worse, and then left in shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

    Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?
    Well, given the fact that the US probably installed said regime in the first place...

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    Historically speaking, failed states like that would be taken over by a neighboring power and fixed. It's a win-win. But now with the UN and bullshit like "invasions are bad" humanity suffers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Historically speaking, failed states like that would be taken over by a neighboring power and fixed. It's a win-win. But now with the UN and bullshit like "invasions are bad" humanity suffers.
    The era of conquest by force is largely over and we are better off for it. Wars should be reserved for the real usurpers to the West perhaps a show of force to ease tensions and make bad actors think twice but a large scale conflict is only going to hurt you in the long run now. Also with tools like the IMF the US and its allies can force a collapse to make in most cases regime change easier regardless of how cruel it appears to be.

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    No body on Earth has the right to dictate that democracy must be implemented, that wouldn't be very democratic, would it. People of venezuela have to organize and rise up themselves if they want a free country, not a puppet government always working for whoever came to rescue them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

    Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?
    Are you proposing a second, or third, or fourth Iraq?

    The power grid in the country has not yet been fully restored and access to drinking water is worse than before "helping" them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    So why are you still an American citizen if you hate us that much? Why haven't you immigrated?

    You're a Bernie guy aren't you?
    That reasoning is so fucking dumb it's scary. You don't agree with everything your country does, hence you should gtfo. By that reasoning like 40% of your country would have to migrate every 8 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Columbia, Cuba, Nicaragua.

    The FARC in Columbia received funding from the Soviets. They just recently disbanded BTW.

    The communists in Chile too.
    The FARC is also partly the fault of the fucking intervention and advise of the USA, which escalated the situation after the Korean War.

    And we still have to thank you (...) for the disgusting Plan Colombia, along with the Plan Lazo, which helped establish the paramilitary groups that turned the countryside into hell for poor people at the wrong places. We don't see the chainsaws as tools for cutting wood anymore thanks to that.

    Don't wash your dirty hands on this, you imperialist (...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    No body on Earth has the right to dictate that democracy must be implemented, that wouldn't be very democratic, would it. People of venezuela have to organize and rise up themselves if they want a free country, not a puppet government always working for whoever came to rescue them.
    The US doesn't usually dictate democracy. They usually overthrow democracy and support dictators and terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillerina View Post
    That reasoning is so fucking dumb it's scary. You don't agree with everything your country does, hence you should gtfo. By that reasoning like 40% of your country would have to migrate every 8 years.
    By that reasoning, everyone who opposed Obamacare should just leave the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Mogudishu. We, with the help of the UN, tried to restore order in Somalia. Instead, we got caught in a 20+ hour gun battle in the city, 19 Americans were killed, and about 100X (the official numbers vary, anywhere from 500 to 5000) that died fighting against us.

    Rather than solving Somalia's problems, we kicked a hornets nest, made it worse, and then left in shame.
    Ahh, yeah now I remember that mess. We need to stay out of other countries civil wars, send humanitarian aid, but not ground troops. We can strike terrorists effectively from the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    By that reasoning, everyone who opposed Obamacare should just leave the US.
    Exactly, the fact that people actually use that argument is goddamn depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    The biggest problem with implementation was that Serbs were allowed to kill entire towns before someone found the balls to put boots on the ground. And blue-helmeted pussies who watched the fucking genocide take place do not count.
    Blue helmets were too busy running prostitution trafficking rigs to ever bother watching out for a genocide or a ethnic cleansing.

    Of all the Western nations, Hungary acted with the most moral decency in the war, a fact for which we Croats are thankful to Hungarians. We do have centuries of common history together and from what I read, it was one of the chief factors why Hungarians did not fall to Serbian propaganda but saw through it with ease. You gave us weapons when the weapons embargo was placed on Yugoslavia, therefore giving Croats a chance to defend themselves.

    People with little to no knowledge on the war might say what is wrong with the Western nations placing a weapons embargo on Yugoslavia and possibly stopping a war? Two reasons. The first is that Yugoslav army was armed like crazy and the second is by that time Yugoslav army was virtually 99% Serb dominated in demography. Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks, Albanians and Macedonians all deserted from the Yugoslav army. Thus the weapon embargo was aimed at minorities who were about to be butchered by Serbian armed forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsonsion View Post
    The FARC is also partly the fault of the fucking intervention and advise of the USA, which escalated the situation after the Korean War.

    And we still have to thank you (...) for the disgusting Plan Colombia, along with the Plan Lazo, which helped establish the paramilitary groups that turned the countryside into hell for poor people at the wrong places. We don't see the chainsaws as tools for cutting wood anymore thanks to that.

    Don't wash your dirty hands on this, you imperialist (...).

    Imperialist? What? Because Guam is a territory? Where is our empire? Puerto Rico will become a state eventually.

    What a lot of you leftists are leaving out is the context. The Cold War ran from 1945 to 1989. Anything we did in that time was in reaction to the Soviets.

    The communists in Columbia created the FARC. The Soviets gave the FARC training, military aide and money.

    Why wouldn't we help the anti-Soviets defeat the pro-Soviets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Imperialist? What? Because Guam is a territory? Where is our empire? Puerto Rico will become a state eventually.

    What a lot of you leftists are leaving out is the context. The Cold War ran from 1945 to 1989. Anything we did in that time was in reaction to the Soviets.

    The communists in Columbia created the FARC. The Soviets gave the FARC training, military aide and money.

    Why wouldn't we help the anti-Soviets defeat the pro-Soviets?
    You are blaming the Soviets for the United states being imperialistic?

    That's a bold move, Cotton.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    By that reasoning, everyone who opposed Obamacare should just leave the US.

    But who the fuck would want them? Certainly no country that has actual public healthcare...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezusisacasual View Post
    The era of conquest by force is largely over and we are better off for it. Wars should be reserved for the real usurpers to the West perhaps a show of force to ease tensions and make bad actors think twice but a large scale conflict is only going to hurt you in the long run now. Also with tools like the IMF the US and its allies can force a collapse to make in most cases regime change easier regardless of how cruel it appears to be.
    We still have war, conquests, invasions, and genocides. We're not better off, we're worse off because it's only the horrible peeps doing the invasions while the "good guys" abide by the rules and leave their neighbors suffering even if a conquest would be a win-win. I'm not saying that war is the answer to conflict, I'm saying conquest of a small failed state is something good even when there is no conflict, you're doing the people a favor and it's a win-win. Some countries should not exist.

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