I'll bite. It isn't that the game is any different now. What Blizzard has been adamant about and upfront about is they do not like that players just swoop in pick off objectives and swoop back out with no regard to the worlds, landscapes, paths they created for the story/leveling process. So they want you to engage with the world and they way it was designed before you get flying.
Whether they should be making things more interesting, adding flying enemies to knock you off or surface to air type defenses at camps to knock you off, or even design flying content is a completely different argument. This is and has been about experiencing the content as Blizzard intended first. Nothing more.
33 here, no driving license. Soon!
Sry for off-topic.
On topic though: Ever since I unlocked flying I have started to play MORE WoW, I do more WQ, I do Archaeology, I collect treasures. I actually play the game and enjoy it more. I don't understand why Blizzard continues to remove flying and basically angers half of it's playerbase and likes less money (quite a few people unsub until flying... or worse.. never come back). If the open-world combat was at least hard enough that it would provide a challenge so you had a reason to let the players experience it and not skip by flying. But Open World combat is easy and meaningless from the start. So there is little reason. Explore a zone by ground, then give us FLYING. Easy.
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i dont know anyone i play with that says flying is useless
are you perhaps getting all these comments from mmo-champion.com?
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People who tends to say that usually give the expression that everything in the game is a chore and nothing is enjoyable and you should just blaze through it all. Which begs the question as to why they even play the game to begin with.
Flying is pretty useless yea, what are you gonna do with it? WQs but slightly faster? woah how useful!
i dunno, flying is the only reason im doing emissary quests (other than the azerite armor and ap rewards) still.
i'll say this much, when we got flying in Legion it felt like a HUGE relief. i didn't feel that way this time through. i think its because traversing BfA on ground mount wasn't really that bad. still, very glad to have flying now and it matters to me.
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potentially cutting 20-30 minutes of travel time down a day? pretty useful to me
and the alts! won't anyone think of how good flying is for the alts?!
No sense crying over spilt beer, unless you're drunk...
you were going to get those reps to revered anyways. i skipped pet battles entirely so it took me a couple extra days in comparison to some of my more grindy guildies. what about rares in nazjatar and mecha? think you'd make it to those commanders without flying?
i do wish flying was obtainable by the release of the first major content patch every expansion, though. waiting for almost a year sucks.
No sense crying over spilt beer, unless you're drunk...
Not really unless you really need purification protocol, lucid dreams is tied to follower xp and not the rep, rares are as pointless as wqs and commanders give 2 pearls...
But yes, if flying was added somewhere between launch and the first major patch it would have been useful and worth doing even if it had a similar grind to unlock it.
This really boils down to the issues we had in TBC with instant flying.
The game world gets sterile pretty fast. Questing/instances/farming don't force you to travel long distances in todays game. If you add flying for everyone with the start of the expansion you get the true "TBC experience" - killing of all immersive aspects of the MMO and turning it to a simple single-player game. Going from vanilla into TBC was a huge step down for the game and I really question people's experience with the game before who favour TBC so much. We are 10 years later still getting new game "features" to get back what we lost with TBC.
This might be a non issue if you are used to private-servers or dead-servers and never ever experienced MMO's with players everywhere. As a casual player with close to 1400 days played in this game from vanilla till bfa, the worst thing I ever watched to happen to this game was the introduction of flying. No other change ever in this long time did so much harm to the game and to the community.
TBC opened Pandora's box and blizzards pathfinder compromise is as good as it gets to contain the consequences.
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What is usually meant - is that flying is the best thing for leveling alts and some other casual activities. Players start to do it, when they run out of other activities to do. For majority of playerbase of happens within 1-2 months after release of xpack, when newness/exploration effect fades. And if they do all of this content without flying, instead of unsubbing and waiting for flying, then they no longer need flying, when it becomes available.
I don't care about Wow 11.0, if it's not solo-MMO. No half-measures - just perfect xpack.
1. Open World content is not the singular "immersive" aspect of (the) MMO, as Raids, BGs etc. r immersive per se (as event), per lore (as story-vehicles), per loot (yes, loot is amazing)
2. so the Open World gets sterile quick, y? ground-travel just prolongues this process of Open-World-Fatigue, hm?
this seems to be not a player perception/expectation, but a design issue...
not to me btw, i like to enjoy Open World in its verticality, as i already fly (via https://de.wowhead.com/item=40727/gn...tationsbrunnen +gliders) long before pathfinder patches.
3.pl still gather at Elite WQs, rares (r announced), WQ addons etc., as they did before pathfinder.
4. its a (demanded) change in player-mentality, as content is massive and Vanilla groundslog grindfests routdated boring. flying was the revolution Vanilla needed. cuz it was immersive to ground-slog 10 mins from Ironforge to BRD, right.
5. but the best thing on flying is: flying is optional. Anti-Flyers most abused contra-argument is, that they r forced to fly, cuz everyone else does. i wonder, if the Anti-fly community is that major (as some vocally pretend) y dont just the half (of u few) do opt out of flying and regain ur Vanilla-Groundslog experience, hm?
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I guess people say that because, at this point in the game, there is not much to do in the world. WQ are mostly pointless except for alts, invasions are even more pointless since they only award up to 375 gear so it really doesn't matter for me that much that i can fly now.
You are probably the exception since you do pvp quests but aside from that there isn't much out there.
@OP : Yeah people like to shame for any reason they see fit (ilvl, spec talents, gear choices, choice of player name, etc). Just ignore it, just like the random banter in random battlegrounds. Obviously if you're doing a rare farm group or anything that involves flying, you'll need to find someone to taxi you. They're not going to wait around really, and you shouldn't waste your energy telling them to wait.