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    In-game during the end of the 8.2.5 questline, Nathanos confesses his love to Sylvanas and she just walks away in response. Danuser is self-aware.

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    And that poor Nathanos will be killed in the next raid ! (at last)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    And that poor Nathanos will be killed in the next raid ! (at last)
    I hope they save him for a mid-boss in Torghast, because having him be the final boss of Nathria instead of Mal'ganis would be a huge waste of opportunity. Also means we'd have two archer final bosses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    I hope they save him for a mid-boss in Torghast, because having him be the final boss of Nathria instead of Mal'ganis would be a huge waste of opportunity. Also means we'd have two archer final bosses.
    What Mal'ganis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What Mal'ganis?
    People think Mal'Ganis is going to make a cameo in Shadowlands because the Venthyr have some vague ties to the Nathrezim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    People think Mal'Ganis is going to make a cameo in Shadowlands because the Venthyr have some vague ties to the Nathrezim.
    And they instantly put him as a first tier final boss? Please. Also, demons in our Afterlife? Twisting Nether is that way ->
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And they instantly put him as a first tier final boss? Please. Also, demons in our Afterlife? Twisting Nether is that way ->
    Yeah but if demons die permanently and don't regen...are they just gone forever via oblivion or elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    People think Mal'Ganis is going to make a cameo in Shadowlands because the Venthyr have some vague ties to the Nathrezim.
    Vampiric stuff, Castle Nathria, Nathrezim creating Helm of Domination - there is definitely something up with Nathrezim, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not regular demons, but race that escaped from SL or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Vampiric stuff, Castle Nathria, Nathrezim creating Helm of Domination - there is definitely something up with Nathrezim, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not regular demons, but race that escaped from SL or something.
    Didn't they specifically have a home planet that got blown up by Illidan in his book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serra2 View Post
    Didn't they specifically have a home planet that got blown up by Illidan in his book?
    That's true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Yeah but if demons die permanently and don't regen...are they just gone forever via oblivion or elsewhere.
    I mean, Shadowlands is Azeroth's afterlife, would be weird if galactic demons went there.
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    Nathrezim are the village bicycles of the Warcraft universe. Shadowlands, Void, Legion, Light... Everyone's had a turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    You're super defensive, I literally made posts with those comments I'm talking about. Take a chill pill.

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    Bravo, you actually get it.

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    Can you find me a source for this? I don't recall them saying it like this from what I watched/read.
    So, I found the exact quote about us having to break out the other heroes it's here: https://youtu.be/xHFYGcRVX_A (Should be with timestamp, but if it's not, it's at 8:44) and I found the panel where Ion talks about us going over there alive and the whole thing before the actual campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q67Upjq7H8 (The first 20min basicly). Parts of that are also at the end of the deep dive panel here: https://youtu.be/6OHDAwg-Tw4 (if the timestamp isn't there, it starts at about 39:35)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    People think Mal'Ganis is going to make a cameo in Shadowlands because the Venthyr have some vague ties to the Nathrezim.
    Vague ties? When the first raid is called castle NATHR(ezim)ia and necromantic vampires (not elves) exist for the first time in WoW since Dreadlords, you know Blizzard isn't being subtle.

    This is the same expansion as ValKYRIANS. I would put actual money down on Nathrezim being revealed (AHHH RETCON BLIZZARD HELP ME!!!) as originally Venthyr who escaped into space to found Nathreza and become Dreadlords.

    Spirit Healer world, Kel'thuzad world, Elune/Purple Dream world. Vampires are random in comparison, but not if they are meant to tie into Nathrezim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serra2 View Post
    Didn't they specifically have a home planet that got blown up by Illidan in his book?
    It doesn't mean they have to originate from that planet, Nathrezim split form SL could be really ancient history. And of course it's just wild guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    Vague ties? When the first raid is called castle NATHR(ezim)ia and necromantic vampires (not elves) exist for the first time in WoW since Dreadlords, you know Blizzard isn't being subtle.

    This is the same expansion as ValKYRIANS. I would put actual money down on Nathrezim being revealed (AHHH RETCON BLIZZARD HELP ME!!!) as originally Venthyr who escaped into space to found Nathreza and become Dreadlords.

    Spirit Healer world, Kel'thuzad world, Elune/Purple Dream world. Vampires are random in comparison, but not if they are meant to tie into Nathrezim.
    This is really not a surprise, it was said @ Blizzcon this is the place of Val'kyrs origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is really not a surprise, it was said @ Blizzcon this is the place of Val'kyrs origin.
    Yes... and I'm saying that Blizzard is not being subtle with their naming schemes now. Kyrians are derived from Valkyr and they are the Valkyr's original race, or inspiration for that race.

    Same thing as Kul'tiras being retconned into Kul Tiras so that it sounds more like a Vrykul naming scheme, to tie them into the Drust's Vrykul Druids who originally named the place. (not to mention VryKUL) If a place is called Nathria like Nathrezim and Nathreza, it's not a coincidence. It's the same race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    Yes... and I'm saying that Blizzard is not being subtle with their naming schemes now. Kyrians are derived from Valkyr and they are the Valkyr's original race, or inspiration for that race.

    Same thing as Kul'tiras being retconned into Kul Tiras so that it sounds more like a Vrykul naming scheme, to tie them into the Drust's Vrykul Druids who originally named the place. (not to mention VryKUL) If a place is called Nathria like Nathrezim and Nathreza, it's not a coincidence. It's the same race.
    That was always the case with the names. Whisperwind, Lightbringer etc. It goes back to Warcraft 1. It's kinda a fantasy tradition now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    That was always the case with the names. Whisperwind, Lightbringer etc. It goes back to Warcraft 1. It's kinda a fantasy tradition now.
    If anything Blizzard is still TOO subtle about it. The amount of casual players that have no idea that the playable Kul Tirans have Vrykul heritage and traditions is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is really not a surprise, it was said @ Blizzcon this is the place of Val'kyrs origin.
    I mean, we learned in Legion that Odyn created the Val'kyr after he had his glimpse into the Shadowlands (and traded his eye).
    I do think that there is a difference however, even though this hasn't been said in any panel or anything, but it's from those lore-tablets in the Halls of Valor, that the spirit healers and Val'kyr are specifically undead, and not dead. Odyn wanted his val'kyr to be of both realms, which is why he had to make them undead, I think. If they were dead, they'd be Kyrians and not beholden to him anymore, but to the Shadowlands. When they broke free of him, they seem to have forged a connection to the Shadowlands, however, because now they serve as spirit healers still, funnelling souls either back to life, if they are still tethered to there for whatever cause or towards the Shadowlands (this last part was said about them specifically in the panels at Blizzcon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    If anything Blizzard is still TOO subtle about it. The amount of casual players that have no idea that the playable Kul Tirans have Vrykul heritage and traditions is huge.
    The problem here is that there is no source to be found for this. I've looked, because I've had this discussion and I was kind of sure I'd heard or read it somewhere, but... I could for the life of me not find it. Is there an actual source or are we just implying that, because it's a reasonable assumption in the context of WoW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by formerShandalay View Post
    I mean, we learned in Legion that Odyn created the Val'kyr after he had his glimpse into the Shadowlands (and traded his eye).
    I do think that there is a difference however, even though this hasn't been said in any panel or anything, but it's from those lore-tablets in the Halls of Valor, that the spirit healers and Val'kyr are specifically undead, and not dead. Odyn wanted his val'kyr to be of both realms, which is why he had to make them undead, I think. If they were dead, they'd be Kyrians and not beholden to him anymore, but to the Shadowlands. When they broke free of him, they seem to have forged a connection to the Shadowlands, however, because now they serve as spirit healers still, funnelling souls either back to life, if they are still tethered to there for whatever cause or towards the Shadowlands (this last part was said about them specifically in the panels at Blizzcon).
    I don't think Kyrians are Val'kyr, nor are Spirit Healers, regardless of what Blizz said (though they may have just been talking about how Val'kyr were created in their image). Val'kyr were created specifically by Odyn who was inspired by/had a severe crush on the Kyrians he saw in the Shadowlands.

    I also am not sure if the Spirit Healers we see on Azeroth are old Val'kyr, I thought they were just Kyrians assigned to Azeroth.

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