1. #38961
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Dawn of the final day
    Due to CodVid19 spread... this sound very bad.
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  2. #38962
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    This is what I would personally expect, yeah. Other MMOs have certainly taken this approach previously.

    Re expertise, sorry if that seemed like a diss, it's not intended as such. It's clear you know your stuff, I just mean that they're a high-paying, high-prestige (still) employer and they seem to have solved their brogrammer problems of the past meaning they can access the full talent pool, and this is absolutely key for them, so they will have experts. You may be an expert too - but I had assumed not, which is on me.
    the games industry has a very bad reputation amongst engineers and programmer's, that and games programmers are in some ways looked down on by "real" programmers as they call them selves (not saying its right, just i have seen many times at programmer conventions derogatory remarks towards games programmers and engineers) this compounds the all ready bad recruitment problem that is across all the industry's in need of programmers atm, not that i am complaining about that as it drives up wages. but then games also has the reputation of being the lowest paying industry you can go into as a programmer.

    its part of the reason why solving there brogrammer problem was such an important thing for them, they need to have access to a much wider talent pool because there searching for a niche within a niche within a niche, a programmer with the right skill is hard to find, finding one that does c++ with enough expertise, is happy to work in the games industry for that pay and conditions but also can work well with artist types... well i wouldn't like being a recruiter in the games buis, and the recent bad press for the industry over the past few years hasn't likely helped.

    though solving the brogrammer problem also isn't really a measure of the quality of code a team produces, quality code is a measurable metric, whats right and wrong and whats best practise and not is logically defined and measurable, so the physical characteristics and personal experiences of the individual programmer are basically meaningless, only there ability to solve problems and there experience really matter, and that's roughly true in most engineering professions. solving that issue means you have a wider pool of junior and mid tier programmers to select from but as experience is the most valuable trait, it doesn't help for hiring in the very top older programmers with the most experience for the senior programmer roles as the new more diverse crop hasn't yet matured enough to widen that pool. so its not much use if you say for example need some senior graphics programmers to come in and over see and direct adding vulcan support to wow as its a pretty binary do they or do they not have the experience to do that job.

    but that's getting into the whole pyramid problem which tbh will solve its self in time as more people come into programming and progress through there careers and gain experience.

    my sudo code need's re write so probably look at that after work, i realised as i was writing it wow items are broken down into PPM and base % chance, writing a fake random that looks random using a table and heuristics is one thing but wont be enough, it needs more constraints adding to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGMYT View Post
    isn't that exactly what I said above?
    So they're probably told like "expect something in March"? that seems enough of a heads up but also broad enough for any changes in the pipeline to be made.

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    Indeed, King Julien... Indeed...

    I'm guessing it's early over there, but it's REALLY starting to burn now. It's time, make it happen!!
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  5. #38965
    no alpha cya guys thursday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post


    Indeed, King Julien... Indeed...

    I'm guessing it's early over there, but it's REALLY starting to burn now. It's time, make it happen!!
    its like 8am i think there.

    but they did put out some blue post crap about classic so theirs people working.

  7. #38967
    I'm on the thursday team too to be honest, either that or next week
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  8. #38968
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Generally not really, but this thread is a bit less strict. I am able to pull it off from time to time.

    Just don't tell the mods.



    mods please dont read this post thanks
    too relevant to not post tbh.

    + we need some way to keep the thread going till blizz finally decides to throw us a bone to chew over. i mean we have had like 0 new news on shadowlands since blizzcon interviews ended, we got a thread, but not much meat to fill it currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    we got a thread, but not much meat to fill it currently.
    Maybe the real alpha was the friends we made along the way.

  10. #38970
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Maybe the real alpha was the friends we made along the way.
    awwww you're gonna make me cry D:
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  11. #38971
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Maybe the real alpha was the friends we made along the way.
    That's pretty Beta.

  12. #38972
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    Alpha dropped yesterday in fact :

    https://i.imgur.com/znq0dSO.jpg

    (no, it's not the EoA login screen)

  13. #38973
    Hopefully they do the same thing as the last few expansion where you did not need an active sub to play the Alpha/Beta that is the only way I will be testing it once I get my invite since I have gotten them every single time since Pandaria.
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    - let's get real everyone, classic needs #somechanges get over it.

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    @Monster Hunter - I agree with most of that but solving the brogrammer problem is part of what leads to better code, because brogrammers are very resistant to using any kind of formal measures to ensure best practices (unless they can game them in some way), and hell sometimes even to the very concept of best practice. So I am confident that they're doing a better job in these areas now than they were in say 2010.

    And given they've been working on games with "random" procs and drops and so on since the 1990s, I suspect this is one area of code they're pretty good at.

    Either that or they're using horrifying stuff from the 1990s haha but I suspect not.

  15. #38975
    Makes me sad that Classic is getting way more attention than retail lately. -_-

  16. #38976
    Brogrammers, what now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    @Monster Hunter - I agree with most of that but solving the brogrammer problem is part of what leads to better code, because brogrammers are very resistant to using any kind of formal measures to ensure best practices (unless they can game them in some way), and hell sometimes even to the very concept of best practice. So I am confident that they're doing a better job in these areas now than they were in say 2010.

    And given they've been working on games with "random" procs and drops and so on since the 1990s, I suspect this is one area of code they're pretty good at.

    Either that or they're using horrifying stuff from the 1990s haha but I suspect not.
    you would be horrified at whats still being used in various industry's all over.

    also depends what you mean by brogrammer, i took it to mean that the programming industry is extremely male dominated, which is true and to fix the recruitment issues we need to attract more women into the profession (not before i have made enough to retire though, i like the really high wages). and in that regard what is good and bad code doesn't change depending on what life experience the programmer has had and whats between there legs.

    but doing an urban dictionary search it seems to specifically refer to a programmer with a type of jock personality. i haven't really experienced anyone like that working in the UK, most tend to be older professional men or younger geeky adults. but that might be as i work mostly in the back end so there is not much tolerance for sloppy code and most people who i work with are in there 50s.

    though you do seem to be describing some behaviour that i have witnessed in regards to being resistant to best practise and being resistant to change, but i wouldn't have called them brogrammers as they tend to be the type who don't interact much with the rest of the office, don't like people talking to them or asking or answering any questions, usually there super into open source and Linux and every one highly suspects is on the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurmech View Post
    Brogrammers, what now?
    from my search it said
    A brogrammer is a male programmer with traits often associated with fraternity brothers (bros) rather than those associated with the coder's stereotypical geeky or nerdy persona.
    its not a type of person i have ever encountered, but it must exist for there to be a term for it.
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  18. #38978
    Alpha cancelled? Has coronavirus infected Blizz offices? Shadowlands going the way of Titan?

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    guys, we're 51 pages away from alpha, come on, we can do this! 2000 HYPE!
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  20. #38980
    Sorry guys, Shadowlands has been cancelled due to corona.

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