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    Quote Originally Posted by formerShandalay View Post
    I still don't think Bwonsamdi is a "Winter Queen guy". I mean she kind of throws him out with that one line from the datamining. But we'll see soon, I hope.

    On the other hand, it would kind of make sense. Nightelves descended from trolls, so even if today the nightelves have more in common with the Winter Queen than the trolls, back when there were no nightelves the Winter Queen-troll-connection would already have existed.
    I guess she could've been the one to make Bwonsamdi into a Loa if he's lying about what he said to Vol'jin about being older than the trolls. I can agree with you, she could be his 'landlord' or something like that. She might be someone he sees when he has spirits with him that aren't trolls, or ones who want to reincarnate.

    His real 'boss' might be in another Afterlife that we haven't seen yet. Like a ancestral Orc/Tauren one. There could be a troll-like leader of a Shamanic group in it


    (Please don't get mad at me for saying Bwonsamdi could've been mortal, I'm soorrryy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    He could've been a secret Mythic-only boss that would be hard to find. But nope, he's a damn dungeon boss. And poor Hakkar is the first boss of the damn dungeon, to add insult to injury



    Right? They'd rather shove a troll-related character in a damn Druidic elf zone and not care about trolls themselves

    I think it'd be better if they'd just put poor Bwonsamdi out of his misery at this point
    I mean, we literally had an expansion that was 50% about Trolls.

  3. #51723
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I think they mean actual biscuits.
    Caviar on biscuits seems to be an actual thing.

    I forgot Americans call something else biscuits. Those look much more edible then i imagined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    I mean, we literally had an expansion that was 50% about Trolls.
    A zone at launch would be a little to much Troll after bfa. A patch zone could have been nice. I'm a little disappointed that then Dungeon doesn't have like the spirit of Zul'jin for instance (but the manastorms got in). A zone could have fit on alot more of the older troll characters etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    I don't think the Jailer is actually imprisoned beyond being stuck in the Maw.

    That aside, i'd prefer if he just casts her aside the moment she stops being useful.
    I don't think he is this type but we have to see. However, killing Sylvanas without a boss fight would be a waste, as Horde payed great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    Unless someone John Wick's her in the middle of her evil monologue I won't be happy.
    Monologues have to be finished. They are the best pieces of fiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    I mean, we literally had an expansion that was 50% about Trolls.
    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    A zone at launch would be a little to much Troll after bfa. A patch zone could have been nice. I'm a little disappointed that then Dungeon doesn't have like the spirit of Zul'jin for instance (but the manastorms got in). A zone could have fit on alot more of the older troll characters etc
    This. I'd love to be able to run around in De Other Side, and possibly a zone that's troll-centred entirely. The older troll spirits have to go somewhere right?

    Unless they're all just serving Bwonsamdi in his temple lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by tristannarutofan View Post
    In regards to the s
    Armor thing.

    Every rule has been broken. Heritage armor, hidden slots, whatever. They should change things yes.

    But dont go spouting rules that dont exist.

    Ppl be like "hunters wear leather to be stealthy" this is warcraft not d&d.

    Just say u want more customizability and the current system screws that. But dont go forcing rules that dont exist
    Not sure why you think this hinges on real hunters not wearing mail. Real assassin's probably didn't wear leather either, real druids would definitely wear cloth.

    The more egregious thing is the NPC hunters are actually not using leather, and if Blizzard thinks leather looks good on hunters then why not allow us to transmog it.
    This is true for other classes as well in some situations, like paladins not being able to look like clothadins, Anduin wearing plate, or the tidesages wearing cloth despite clearly being shamans.

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    See, it makes sense having Cloth/Leather/Plate as the three different archetypes of armor like in most other RPGs, really.

    But Mail doesnt really fit in, and because they have to design armor that goes with the two completely different styles of Hunters vs Shaman, most of it just looks like crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    again, pointless in the narrative since no one important or meaningful died, yet, we spend wod and mop entirely to genocide orcs and killing then, including named and important ones.

    Isn't like the horde, or orcs want that moment, isn't like we wanted another of our most important and one of the left heroes to become a retarded with suicidal tendencies just to die meaningless in the end.

    Pretty sure no one want those kind moments
    It doesn't matter because you don't care about it. For people who like a race, having that consistently portrayed as a joke, as a sandbag dummy race, that exists just to make others look stronger and wiser, does matter. And no, some halfassed sets don't make that less ridiculous. But what do I expect from people who think a race winning back their own lands (as a footnote, mind you) is some kind of major win that should be held up and celebrated as some sort of example of how the race is treated well.

    Saurfang had been a sentimental guy for a while. Not sure where you were to miss his whole spiel about not eating pork.

    And no Orcs were genocided in MoP and WoD. In MoP, Garrosh was trying to genocide all non-Orcs and all his loyalists got killed because they were helping him try to genocide all non-Orcs. WoD was pretty much the same, and it was basically a theme park expansion where you got to see long-dead orc chieftains and warlords. There were, however, characters from the main universe who died to play a role in that expansion. Uhh, the names escape me at the moment.. oh yeah, Maraad and Taylor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    im just saying you guys are complaining with a full belly
    And that idea is born from ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    This. I'd love to be able to run around in De Other Side, and possibly a zone that's troll-centred entirely. The older troll spirits have to go somewhere right?

    Unless they're all just serving Bwonsamdi in his temple lol
    I feel like the problem is that the Troll Loa are basically seen as Wild Gods, too. That means they have to be crammed in the Wild Gods place, which is Ardenweald.

    I much would've preferred a Loa/Troll type zone in the Shadowlands that might be some patch content or whatever.
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    I wonder the behind-the-scenes reason why De Other Side got shafted to include Gnome and Broker stuff.

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    I haven't got alpha access :-( but from what I've read and seen Torghast is going to be a large part of the end game experience, it looks like some classes will have a better time in there than others, how do you think hunters will do? They have good utility (slows, interrupts, snares etc) and a pet to tank so I'd imagine they would be one of the better classes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avikur View Post
    I haven't got alpha access :-( but from what I've read and seen Torghast is going to be a large part of the end game experience, it looks like some classes will have a better time in there than others, how do you think hunters will do? They have good utility (slows, interrupts, snares etc) and a pet to tank so I'd imagine they would be one of the better classes?
    A lot will depend on Anima Powers. So to early to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    I wonder the behind-the-scenes reason why De Other Side got shafted to include Gnome and Broker stuff.
    Because Blizz does what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    It doesn't matter because you don't care about it. For people who like a race, having that consistently portrayed as a joke, as a sandbag dummy race, that exists just to make others look stronger and wiser, does matter. And no, some halfassed sets don't make that less ridiculous. But what do I expect from people who think a race winning back their own lands (as a footnote, mind you) is some kind of major win that should be held up and celebrated as some sort of example of how the race is treated well.
    what im saying is any "trials", hardship and suffering the night elves have passed was already endured for other races and sometimes WAY WORSE
    Saurfang had been a sentimental guy for a while. Not sure where you were to miss his whole spiel about not eating pork.
    he become a senile suicidal hypocrite with identity crisis that have to be taught about honor and what the horde is from a human boy, i think it is way worse than tyrande learning something from Varian, since unlike her he actually was a fighter who understand war.

    the only barely important orc left, now we are stuck with Eitrigg, another senile orc, and Thrall who don't have balls anymore

    And no Orcs were genocided in MoP and WoD. In MoP, Garrosh was trying to genocide all non-Orcs and all his loyalists got killed because they were helping him try to genocide all non-Orcs.
    tons of orcs died, various named npcs and important npcs like Nazgrin, all butchered, last patch was all about killing orcs in their own home city while YOU AS A ORC is forced to do it so, and since then, orcs don't have any compensation from being butchered and made up villains to alliance kill

    be gladly just the city was nuked and you didn't went there in a raid to kill everyone.

    WoD was pretty much the same, and it was basically a theme park expansion where you got to see long-dead orc chieftains and warlords. There were, however, characters from the main universe who died to play a role in that expansion. Uhh, the names escape me at the moment.. oh yeah, Maraad and Taylor.
    wod was the entire expansion about killing orcs and pissing on the old horde heroes, the entire orc population was either butchered or corrupted then butchered, and even after that the draenei hunt then down to only remain one little clan.

    You want "horde" characters from the main universe die? who? no one left, only thrall did something
    And that idea is born from ignorance.
    or because is what i see, elves don't have thick skin, since vanilla leaders are still there, little have changed from race until now, Night elves got focus and lore in cataclysm and legion pretty fine, more than most races, yet you guys act like you had nothing and is the end of the world to not get compensation immediately(when other races are still waiting...) even knowing shadowlands will focus on night elves

    i remind you, the same happened to the forsaken, and they don't even have leaders or a place anymore, at least night elves have hyjal, feralas, ashenvale, they can prob hang out in broken isles, tyrande and malfurion are still there, to me, still looks like people complaining with a full belly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avikur View Post
    I haven't got alpha access :-( but from what I've read and seen Torghast is going to be a large part of the end game experience, it looks like some classes will have a better time in there than others, how do you think hunters will do? They have good utility (slows, interrupts, snares etc) and a pet to tank so I'd imagine they would be one of the better classes?
    What classes can do what at the beginning is mostly irrelevant, some might have an easier time getting started than others, but what will truly be the make or break point of Torghast for many will be the ease of creating a good and perhaps more importantly, fun setup.
    The absolute worst case sceanrio is if classes like hunter only gets DPS increases and leech, compared to mages with their instablink and mirror images galore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avikur View Post
    I haven't got alpha access :-( but from what I've read and seen Torghast is going to be a large part of the end game experience, it looks like some classes will have a better time in there than others, how do you think hunters will do? They have good utility (slows, interrupts, snares etc) and a pet to tank so I'd imagine they would be one of the better classes?
    It's very early days. But keep in mind that the powers you get inside the tower are pretty crazy. The normal class balance rules may not apply in the tower once you've stacked lots of powers. As long as each class can have fun in there and progress at a reasonable rate... I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    what im saying is any "trials", hardship and suffering the night elves have passed was already endured for other races and sometimes WAY WORSE


    he become a senile suicidal hypocrite with identity crisis that have to be taught about honor and what the horde is from a human boy, i think it is way worse than tyrande learning something from Varian, since unlike her he actually was a fighter who understand war.

    the only barely important orc left, now we are stuck with Eitrigg, another senile orc, and Thrall who don't have balls anymore



    tons of orcs died, various named npcs and important npcs like Nazgrin, all butchered, last patch was all about killing orcs in their own home city while YOU AS A ORC is forced to do it so, and since then, orcs don't have any compensation from being butchered and made up villains to alliance kill

    be gladly just the city was nuked and you didn't went there in a raid to kill everyone.



    wod was the entire expansion about killing orcs and pissing on the old horde heroes, the entire orc population was either butchered or corrupted then butchered, and even after that the draenei hunt then down to only remain one little clan.

    You want "horde" characters from the main universe die? who? no one left, only thrall did something


    or because is what i see, elves don't have thick skin, since vanilla leaders are still there, little have changed from race until now, Night elves got focus and lore in cataclysm and legion pretty fine, more than most races, yet you guys act like you had nothing and is the end of the world to not get compensation immediately(when other races are still waiting...) even knowing shadowlands will focus on night elves

    i remind you, the same happened to the forsaken, and they don't even have leaders or a place anymore, at least night elves have hyjal, feralas, ashenvale, they can prob hang out in broken isles, tyrande and malfurion are still there, to me, still looks like people complaining with a full belly.
    The problem for Nelves is more that they do get exposure, but like with the Horde and being good, they rarely get good exposure.
    Compare for instance with the Draenei, similar in the sense that they are often relegated to neutral questgivers and without a home. The Draenei however are pretty consistently shown as being competent at what they do, they have a well established faith in teh light that is used to give them good paladins and a rich backstory that is used to create stories that are interesting, both to others and for Draenei, like with Argus.

    The Night elves meanwhile have a similar rich bbackstory, but instead of being shown why we should care about them they are near constantly being used as punching bags tp prop up others, or as was shown in the BfA pre-patch, as a plot device to further the Horde story, despite it obviously being a bigger deal to Night Elves who just lost their ancestral homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    It's very early days. But keep in mind that the powers you get inside the tower are pretty crazy. The normal class balance rules may not apply in the tower once you've stacked lots of powers. As long as each class can have fun in there and progress at a reasonable rate... I'll be happy.
    The fun aspect is definitely the most important part of Torghast. Ensuring a modicum of balance should be extremely easy considering there is no time limit. And since balance is not a likely issue the only question remaining is whether it will be fun enough that players look forward to doing the weekly run or whatever it ends up being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The problem for Nelves is more that they do get exposure, but like with the Horde and being good, they rarely get good exposure.
    Compare for instance with the Draenei, similar in the sense that they are often relegated to neutral questgivers and without a home. The Draenei however are pretty consistently shown as being competent at what they do,
    in doing nothing?

    they have a well established faith in teh light that is used to give them good paladins and a rich backstory that is used to create stories that are interesting, both to others and for Draenei, like with Argus.
    Dude, draeneis have literally nothing since TBC, they only got something in legion, and even there was less than what nelves got there
    argus patch is more about turalyon, alleria and illidan(a nelf LOL) than Velen

    Good to point this, a human became the leader of the draenei there
    The Night elves meanwhile have a similar rich bbackstory, but instead of being shown why we should care about them they are near constantly being used as punching bags tp prop up others, or as was shown in the BfA pre-patch, as a plot device to further the Horde story, despite it obviously being a bigger deal to Night Elves who just lost their ancestral homes.
    they did one time, horde is always the plot device to further the general history of being the villains

    complaining so much about being "sandbags" that to this very day ashenvale was not out of their control, not even in Garrosh era

    Forsaken lost their home too and their leaders, but do you see then complaining like is the end of the world? you don't, because again, elves always think everything they have is always too less and anything is a personal insult and should be immediately resolved

    Like, guys, bfa just ended, and they already showed the NE will not be cool with that, and will be important in shadowlands(this already more than forsaken and other races will get) thinking the only way to compensate this "slap in the face" is murder everyone in the horde as retaliation, immediately after the end of the war and magically creating another teldrassil in the same area is just wishful thinking, we all know this shit take time, trolls only got their isles in cataclysm, worgen still don't have gilneas, and don't even mention gnomes, again, to me looks like complaining with a full belly.
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  18. #51738
    Heritage armos for Humans, Orcs, Trolls and Night elves will be available b4 9.0??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarou View Post
    Heritage armos for Humans, Orcs, Trolls and Night elves will be available b4 9.0??
    Is that a question or a statement?

  20. #51740
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The Night elves meanwhile have a similar rich bbackstory, but instead of being shown why we should care about them they are near constantly being used as punching bags tp prop up others, or as was shown in the BfA pre-patch, as a plot device to further the Horde story, despite it obviously being a bigger deal to Night Elves who just lost their ancestral homes.
    Hyjal is the ancestral home to the Dark Troll subspecies. Silvermoon is the ancestral home to the Forest Trolls. And unlike high elves, it tracks that Teldrassil was equal retribution to a race of colonizers that have lived far longer than they deserved. 10,000 year olds? Disgusting.

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