1. #51741
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    in doing nothing?



    Dude, draeneis have literally nothing since TBC, they only got something in legion, and even there was less than what nelves got there
    argus patch is more about turalyon, alleria and illidan(a nelf LOL) than Velen

    Good to point this, a human became the leader of the draenei there


    they did one time, horde is always the plot device to further the general history of being the villains

    complaining so much about being "sandbags" that to this very day ashenvale was not out of their control, not even in Garrosh era

    Forsaken lost their home too and their leaders, but do you see then complaining like is the end of the world? you don't, because again, elves always think everything they have is always too less and anything is a personal insult and should be immediately resolved

    Like, guys, bfa just ended, and they already showed the NE will not be cool with that, and will be important in shadowlands(this already more than forsaken and other races will get) thinking the only way to compensate this "slap in the face" is murder everyone in the horde as retaliation, immediately after the end of the war and magically creating another teldrassil in the same area is just wishful thinking, we all know this shit take time, trolls only got their isles in cataclysm, worgen still don't have gilneas, and don't even mention gnomes, again, to me looks like complaining with a full belly.
    Draenei get little, but what little they do get is good, the diametric opposite of Nelves who get a lot, but what they get is shit. This despite them in some ways having about the same level of relevance to the current story.


    You bring up an apt comparision to Forsaken, but unlike with Nelves the Forsaken get to look competent, they lost their home and are now refugees, but they didnt lose their home just to assure the Alliance that this was a horrible mooment for the Alliance, and the expansion would thoroughly discuss what the siege meant for those poor Alliance that were there to see it.

    That is the crucial difference here. The Forsaken get to do stuff, yes it is kinda morally ambigous most of the time but when we see them they do follow the description of them we are constantly told, they are not being contantly built up as amazing warriors only to have them fail most every military encounter we see them in just to boost the opposing side.

  2. #51742
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    Is that a question or a statement?
    A question

  3. #51743
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarou View Post
    A question
    I doubt it. Most likely will be Shadowlands patch content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Draenei get little, but what little they do get is good,
    totally subjective, you are telling me the human becoming the draenei leader is somehow good, ok
    the diametric opposite of Nelves who get a lot, but what they get is shit. This despite them in some ways having about the same level of relevance to the current story.
    yeah, sure, always elves getting shit
    You bring up an apt comparision to Forsaken, but unlike with Nelves the Forsaken get to look competent,
    Are you joking? forsaken main and only strategy is always just blight things up or run away, Sylvanas runlikewind who speaks
    they lost their home and are now refugees, but they didnt lose their home just to assure the Alliance that this was a horrible mooment for the Alliance
    horrible moment for the alliance? the race got his own home nuked by his own crazy leader, poor poor alliance that had to see the evil horde doing their evil things with their own people

    That is the crucial difference here. The Forsaken get to do stuff, yes it is kinda morally ambigous most of the time but when we see them they do follow the description of them we are constantly told, they are not being contantly built up as amazing warriors only to have them fail most every military encounter we see them in just to boost the opposing side.
    i never saw or read anything about night elves being amazing warriors who can win against anyone, even with their power before the third war they got streamroled by the warsong,

    they actually still being a force who can hold ashenvale and other strongholds, and push the horde even in azshara, without their powerboost is already impressive,

    fucking hell, they actually having strenght to fight back in darkshore to be a warfront is already bananas after their losses, what more people want? i know, clean orgrimmar from the map, but sadly this isn't happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    I wonder the behind-the-scenes reason why De Other Side got shafted to include Gnome and Broker stuff.
    They couldn't think of any other boss ideas?
    I guess Gnomes being in there means that other races can enter De Other Side, not just trolls

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  6. #51746
    For those who were talking about the Aspirant sets having better tints than Warfront sets, we will be able to purchase the ensembles with Marks of Honor in SL. Sadly, this (ATM) does not include the Tier 2-3 appearances, so that sucks.

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=314693/...r-in-shadowlan

  7. #51747
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfang View Post
    For those who were talking about the Aspirant sets having better tints than Warfront sets, we will be able to purchase the ensembles with Marks of Honor in SL. Sadly, this (ATM) does not include the Tier 2-3 appearances, so that sucks.

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=314693/...r-in-shadowlan
    There's no way that they won't include the glad sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    They couldn't think of any other boss ideas?
    I guess Gnomes being in there means that other races can enter De Other Side, not just trolls
    There's potential for there being some funky lore revelations there, but it feels more like somethings going on with gnomes tapping into De Other Side than anything. The most recent photo of it has a pretty technological area.

    Maybe it's actually a different part of the Shadowlands altogether?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    There's potential for there being some funky lore revelations there, but it feels more like somethings going on with gnomes tapping into De Other Side than anything. The most recent photo of it has a pretty technological area.

    Maybe it's actually a different part of the Shadowlands altogether?

    Well it was referred to as a 'pocket dimension'
    at Blizzcon I think. Would make sense if it were just a small gateway to another part of the Shadowlands other than just Ardenweald


    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I feel like the problem is that the Troll Loa are basically seen as Wild Gods, too. That means they have to be crammed in the Wild Gods place, which is Ardenweald.

    I much would've preferred a Loa/Troll type zone in the Shadowlands that might be some patch content or whatever.
    That's true. Maybe they just didn't want to make a troll/Loa zone because BfA was heavily troll themed?

    I know Bwonsamdi is considered (somehow) a Loa, but he just doesn't strike me as one. He seems like more of an almost independent Death God who just seems to favour trolls.
    He's the odd man out. He's also not a beast God either, as he looks like a dead troll

    And Ardenweald may have been the only zones they could get De Other Side to fit into. It's kind of unfortunate actually

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  9. #51749
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfang View Post
    For those who were talking about the Aspirant sets having better tints than Warfront sets, we will be able to purchase the ensembles with Marks of Honor in SL. Sadly, this (ATM) does not include the Tier 2-3 appearances, so that sucks.

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=314693/...r-in-shadowlan
    Yeah. Hopefully they find some way to work in the elite appearances for aspirant sets, because in some cases those are the best ones.

    Doubt it, though. :/

  10. #51750
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post

    they updated the creation screen.
    Out of curiosity, what about the character selection/creation screen?

    That too needs vast improvement.

  11. #51751
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Blizzards idea that they can simply make 4 different gear sets clearly does not work when they have to simultaneously consider the classes that can wear them, i very honestly think that what would fix this is letting everyone transmog everything. That way shammies can transmog into cloth if they want a robe, same with paladins. Or hunters can transmog into leather.

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    Surely there must be a way to at least petition Blizzard to allow Hunters to transmog teh vampire Hunter set, instead of whatever that weird thing we actually got is.
    feel free to petition. they wont listen to it. and as for being able to transmog into anything, thats even less likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elsif View Post
    Out of curiosity, what about the character selection/creation screen?

    That too needs vast improvement.

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  13. #51753
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Nice, thanks!

    That entire part of the Ux/ui needed major overhaul.

    Wondering if those backgrounds will also be updated fidelity wise. Look a little low resolution/poly.

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    Yeah one of my wish list items is an update to the background images. Perhaps even allow you to pick from a selection appropriate to your race.

  15. #51755
    So apparently Shandris and the Alliance PC are looking for "vessels" to share the Night Warrior's power, as apparently one person holding it in for long always ends with bad things happening.

    Maybe this is the endgame for Delaryn and the other Risen Night Elves? It would make sense if they stuck around as a force for the Night Elves that could channel death energies (which I'm 99% sure is the power of the Night Warrior: see the fauns having the same color eyes) and would give Nelves their own "Dark Rangers".

  16. #51756
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    So apparently Shandris and the Alliance PC are looking for "vessels" to share the Night Warrior's power, as apparently one person holding it in for long always ends with bad things happening.

    Maybe this is the endgame for Delaryn and the other Risen Night Elves? It would make sense if they stuck around as a force for the Night Elves that could channel death energies (which I'm 99% sure is the power of the Night Warrior: see the fauns having the same color eyes) and would give Nelves their own "Dark Rangers".
    Pretty sure it is the endgame questline for those who chose Night Fae, not the Alliance PC. Unless of course this is something that happens in the pre-patch, though given that i believe we have confirmation the pre-pathc will be happening in and around Icecrown that might be problematic.

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    Also not sure it would necessarily involve the risen Nelves specifically, i would rather guess it will be spread across all Night Elves in general, possibly as a catalyst for Nelf paladins or something.

  17. #51757
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarou View Post
    Heritage armos for Humans, Orcs, Trolls and Night elves will be available b4 9.0??
    They had Warfront ones. Draenei got nothing.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread
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    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    The NW that we interact with leads us to the groves where all NWs are destined to end up in and we seek their aid.

    It's far more likely that they will be the vessels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by previous NW
    "The Night Warriors of Elune, all who bear the mantle are destined for these groves. We are in need of their aid."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw-q...outu.be&t=5874
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  19. #51759
    Armistice or not, I'm unsure if they will have Horde players forced to work with Tyrande/Shandris or Alliance players with Vol'jin/Bwonsamdi. Firstly because of the faction tension and secondly because Alliance-only players don't know the Vol'jin storyline and Horde don't know the full extent of Tyrande stuff.

    Of course they can both be optional sidequests but I don't think the Night Fae storyline will be ALL about Tyrande. Could be wrong though (because Kael and Uther seem to be integral to the other ones).

  20. #51760
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    They had Warfront ones. Draenei got nothing.
    I guess the problem with Draenei is that their armor will end up looking like priest and paladins armor. Which Imo is fine for me. But others will not be happy.

    Also I’m really wanting the Race weapons and shields not used for players. Like dark iron and void elf ones.

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