1. #56981
    Quote Originally Posted by gunner_recall View Post
    I'm not saying it's going to happen because Blizz sucks but it's like...the core of Warcraft. Orcs vs Humans, Alliance vs Horde, Red vs Blue.

    It's just what it is. I would love to be proven wrong.
    No, it was the foundation the franchise was built on. Not the core. It hasn't been a major part of most stories from WC3 onwards, which is the large majority of WarCraft stories, and the incarnations in WoW have always felt rather forced. If it was core to WarCraft, you'd have to work to keep it out. Instead, Blizzard has to work to keep it in.

  2. #56982
    From that book commentary it seems like Nathanos in the pre-patch probably has confidence in something like Sylvanas or the Jailer to bail him out if he gets too low, but no one will come for him and he'll get nuked by a character like Tyrande or Calia. He could always pop up as a raid boss in the Maw but it makes sense why he doesn't appear at all in 9.0 Shadowlands if he doesn't make it out of that fight.

    I'm going to assume it's Tyrande to showcase her Night Warrior powers (as they aren't used that much, and she hasn't used them in a cinematic yet) but it could also be a moment to show off Calia.

  3. #56983
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    Hardly. Is there a term for a level of satisfaction at misfortune beyond schadenfreude? Because this is like, cosmic-level schadenfreude.
    No, because Schadenfreude is about what you are taking delight in, not how much. Although i'd suggest /nelson.

  4. #56984
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, it was the foundation the franchise was built on. Not the core. It hasn't been a major part of most stories from WC3 onwards, which is the large majority of WarCraft stories, and the incarnations in WoW have always felt rather forced. If it was core to WarCraft, you'd have to work to keep it out. Instead, Blizzard has to work to keep it in.
    That's...what I said. It's the core of Warcraft.

    I didn't say it was the core of WoW




    Also, something I found interesting in Shadow's Rising I'm gonna spoiler it just in case but Alleria calls the beings who whisper to her the Old Ones which obviously isn't the same but it's close enough to the First Ones that it definitely seems like the First Ones were probably Void/Light beings

    Also a Forsaken with a beard.

  5. #56985
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, because Schadenfreude is about what you are taking delight in, not how much. Although i'd suggest /nelson.
    It's powerful enough we may need to invent a new term, is the point.

    Either way, bold of them to assume that probably the most hated character overall across both faction lines could garner sympathy.

  6. #56986
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    From the writer of Shadows Rising. Nathanos is totally fucked.
    That sounds just awful tbh. Especially since the last book tried to sell us how they absolutely share the same goals. But I guess that ws before they though of having sylvanas serve another master and "totes did it since wotlk".

    Also if they give Nathanos a redemption arc I will lose the last shred of hope I have for the story.
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    After that I can easily see Nathanos helping us against Sylvi and die in the process. Not a redemption, though.
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  8. #56988
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    After that I can easily see Nathanos helping us against Sylvi and die in the process. Not a redemption, though.
    Like we're fighting Sylvanas and he shows up to try and get revenge for her tossing him to the side and she kills him? I could see that, depending on what happens between now and us fighting her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    As if.. my last beta was WoD..
    I think I got in for all Betas, but for BfA and Legion it was really late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Honestly if they go the way of making Tyrande "shed her desire for vengeance because she's gone insane" or make the players kill her because "she's been driven mad", then I think I might just be done with WoW.
    They are setting her up to be saved tho.

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  11. #56991
    Blizzard will be on virtual Gamescom this year. I guess this is when they want to reveal release date (and maybe new CGI trailer? or at least some summary for SL content). I still think it's first half of November and revealing it 2-2.5 months before launch is pretty late, but for example WoD date was revealed late as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I think I got in for all Betas, but for BfA and Legion it was really late.
    If you fish for small giveaways for Beta keys, it's not hard to get in. It's rather late, but still useful if you want to learn your class or dungeons before launch. I got Legion from some spanish site and BfA from polish site. For sure it's bad idea trying to get key only from for example Towellie where 5k+ people wait in line.
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  12. #56992
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Blizzard will be on virtual Gamescom this year. I guess this is when they want to reveal release date (and maybe new CGI trailer? or at least some summary for SL content). I still think it's first half of November and revealing it 2-2.5 months before launch is pretty late, but for example WoD date was revealed late as well.
    It's possible they'll announce the release date/prepatch stuff before then and Gamescon may just end up being 9.0.5 or 9.1 or something.

    Idk man, that does seem like a really short window of time for announcing the release date but I don't know what else they could do with it either.

  13. #56993
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Blizzard will be on virtual Gamescom this year. I guess this is when they want to reveal release date (and maybe new CGI trailer? or at least some summary for SL content). I still think it's first half of November and revealing it 2-2.5 months before launch is pretty late, but for example WoD date was revealed late as well.
    I'd say November 6th. That way they can sync Scourge 3.0 up with Hallow's End and Day of the Dead, and won't have to worry about dropping it in the middle of Hallow's End and being all "Well either we update the event for Level 60 and nobody can do the endgame version, or we just set it for Level 50 and players outlevel the event."
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  14. #56994
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    I'd say November 6th. That way they can sync Scourge 3.0 up with Hallow's End and Day of the Dead, and won't have to worry about dropping it in the middle of Hallow's End and being all "Well either we update the event for Level 60 and nobody can do the endgame version, or we just set it for Level 50 and players outlevel the event."
    November 6th is Friday, I don't think they are suicidal. Imo 3rd, 10th, 17th are possible. 10th November fit the best, cause 1st and 8th December are safe dates to release season 1 and Mythic Castle Nathria (with 3rd November release we would had 4 weeks without raid cause Thanksgiving and 17th November put mythic race very close to Christmas).

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner_recall View Post
    It's possible they'll announce the release date/prepatch stuff before then and Gamescon may just end up being 9.0.5 or 9.1 or something.

    Idk man, that does seem like a really short window of time for announcing the release date but I don't know what else they could do with it either.
    Imo it's too soon. It would beat 7.1 that was still revealed only like 2 weeks before launch (and in form of just teaser trailer). More likely they'll talk about patches on this early '21 event that replace Blizzcon '20 (why they even bother to do it, I don't know).

    But imo they should release 9.1 PTR as early as late January, white there is still early hype. It could be just extra story chapters and new dungeon, hopefully raids will be again 9.X.5 territory, without them smaller BfA patches felt rather empty.
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  15. #56995
    Ye, gimme beta! I got invited to one beta through my 14 years with an account, and that was BfA.

    And I am still there (sorry, I had to)
    TBC Classic <3

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  16. #56996
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Imo it's too soon. It would beat 7.1 that was still revealed only like 2 weeks before launch (and in form of just teaser trailer). More likely they'll talk about patches on this early '21 event that replace Blizzcon '20 (why they even bother to do it, I don't know).

    But imo they should release 9.1 PTR as early as late January, white there is still early hype. It could be just extra story chapters and new dungeon, hopefully raids will be again 9.X.5 territory, without them smaller BfA patches felt rather empty.
    I thought they were doing digital Blizzcon? I guess they could just be like "hey here's some stuff about SL" and then a teaser for 9.1 and then talk about 9.1 at Blizzcon.

    Idk, feels like a weird time for them to announce or showcase anything. Like it's too early for 9.1 and too late for anything involving release date but I guess we'll see what happens.

  17. #56997
    Quote Originally Posted by gunner_recall View Post
    That's...what I said. It's the core of Warcraft.

    I didn't say it was the core of WoW




    Also, something I found interesting in Shadow's Rising I'm gonna spoiler it just in case but Alleria calls the beings who whisper to her the Old Ones which obviously isn't the same but it's close enough to the First Ones that it definitely seems like the First Ones were probably Void/Light beings

    Also a Forsaken with a beard.

    Old gods had been called "old ones" hundreds of times in game.

  18. #56998
    Quote Originally Posted by nyjl View Post
    Old gods had been called "old ones" hundreds of times in game.
    Could be the void lords, hard to tell with Lovecraftian writing.
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  19. #56999
    Quote Originally Posted by nyjl View Post
    Old gods had been called "old ones" hundreds of times in game.
    That's true. But Alleria didn't make a pact with the Old Gods, she made a pact with the Void.

    Could be Old Gods. Could be Void Lords. Could be something else.

    It could even be....nothing.

  20. #57000
    Quote Originally Posted by gunner_recall View Post
    I thought they were doing digital Blizzcon? I guess they could just be like "hey here's some stuff about SL" and then a teaser for 9.1 and then talk about 9.1 at Blizzcon.

    Idk, feels like a weird time for them to announce or showcase anything. Like it's too early for 9.1 and too late for anything involving release date but I guess we'll see what happens.
    If Blizzard is involved in virtual Gamescom, they must show something. Last few years they back down to e-sport and smaller things like Azshara warbringer, but this year it's not normal event. Probably every company will get some time on official stream to show what they got and that's it.

    Maybe it's reason why they hold with revealing SL date, it's not like anything else is coming soon, Overwatch 2 is probably 21, Diablo IV 22 and I don't think they want to talk about Immortal. They could also go full nostalgia and reveal TBC Classic/ Diablo II remaster.

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