1. #64361
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Tell me one plausible reason why it makes sense to limit the amount of times I can change my Conduits when at the same time I can indefinitely change PvE talents, PvP talents and specilizations.

    This limitation hurts everyone that plays more than one spec (e.g. most raiders). We're not talking about changing Covenants here, we're talking about a system that is "Shadowlands talents" in a nutshell. To limit Conduit changes makes as much sense as limiting the amount of times I can change my specilization or talents.
    Because being able to change talents so easily is a mistake that cannot be rectified in one go or the community would be in an uproar, so Blizzard is taking the slow and steady approach ot introducing fixes to their developmental mistakes way back.

    And again, you can stillplay specs just fine, you just won't be able to have several builds for several specs. You have to either have several builds for a single spec or a single build for multiple specs.

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    Well this will in no way stir up some activity. Will be interesting to see how this will unfold going forward.
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    I don't think they're crossing a line here.... so..meh..... I'll know when things start to look like that one image of marvel comics recently(Forgot when I saw it...pre pandemic)
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  3. #64363
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Tell me one plausible reason why it makes sense to limit the amount of times I can change my Conduits when at the same time I can indefinitely change PvE talents, PvP talents and specilizations.
    Because Blizzard wants it that way, likely to test how the game behaves under more restrictive systems. It's also just limited to how much you can change the conduits slotted into a soulbind, you can still switch soulbinds unlimited times. Soulbinds and conduits are not talents and do not behave in the same way.

    To limit Conduit changes makes as much sense as limiting the amount of times I can change my specilization or talents.
    To which i'd argue that the latter is actually to open. You're not making much of an argument as to why the system shouldn't be that way, only that you don't like the setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Because being able to change talents so easily is a mistake that cannot be rectified in one go or the community would be in an uproar, so Blizzard is taking the slow and steady approach ot introducing fixes to their developmental mistakes way back.

    And again, you can stillplay specs just fine, you just won't be able to have several builds for several specs. You have to either have several builds for a single spec or a single build for multiple specs.
    This is against all of their design philosophy from the last decade, even in BfA you could change Azerite traits without restrictions. I don't say it was right what they did, but they cannot all of a sudden restrict accessability to class specs because [reasons]. Not, when on the other hand, you skill can change talents and specs without limitations. People are already concerned about Covenants in general, restricting their way to play more than one spec is just another huge design misstep.

    Choosing between gimping your main spec to be effective at two specs at the same time or being good at your main spec while your second spec suffers greatly is a horrible "design philosophy" that will backfire a lot. It already does (look at the feedback, it's overwhelmingly negative).

    The thing is, you cannot play your specs just fine. Conduits are such a huge contributor to your performance in Shadowlands (especially when you're slowly upgrading to higher ranks), they're most likely even more important than the Covenant skills itself.

    Blizzard hasn't come up with a plausible reason yet why they restrict this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    This is against all of their design philosophy from the last decade, even in BfA you could change Azerite traits without restrictions. I don't say it was right what they did, but they cannot all of a sudden restrict accessability to class specs because [reasons]. Not, when on the other hand, you skill can change talents and specs without limitations. People are already concerned about Covenants in general, restricting their way to play more than one spec is just another huge design misstep.
    Their design philosophy from the last decade was when the game was at its most quick and shallow. In Legion and forward Blizzard has started to reintroduce RPG elements that does go against covenience and having everything at your fingertips at all times, but which came at the cost of depth and generally making the game more important outside just raiding or M+.

    Again, limitations are important to add depth. We have seen that when Blizzard just gives all the options to players the result is not a more diverse playerbase, but rather an extremely narrow one where the meta is king.



    Also, I think you are vastly overestimating the conduits. Last I checked you could not equip more than one per, meaning that you will always have 3 different conduits which massively limits the limits of experimentation, when you have something like 6-7 conduits pretty much every spec will end up favoring the same ones, for which being able to change one of them per day is perfectly reasonable, more so when you consider that you will most likely only change them massively maybe once or twice per major patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Their design philosophy from the last decade was when the game was at its most quick and shallow. In Legion and forward Blizzard has started to reintroduce RPG elements that does go against covenience and having everything at your fingertips at all times, but which came at the cost of depth and generally making the game more important outside just raiding or M+.

    Again, limitations are important to add depth. We have seen that when Blizzard just gives all the options to players the result is not a more diverse playerbase, but rather an extremely narrow one where the meta is king.

    Also, I think you are vastly overestimating the conduits. Last I checked you could not equip more than one per, meaning that you will always have 3 different conduits which massively limits the limits of experimentation, when you have something like 6-7 conduits pretty much every spec will end up favoring the same ones, for which being able to change one of them per day is perfectly reasonable, more so when you consider that you will most likely only change them massively maybe once or twice per major patch.
    The thing is, I agree with your general notion about WoW's game design. The problem is, this isn't adding any depth.

    Restricting Conduits would make sense when each spec had its own layout. Then I'd totally agree with you and say the limitations are justified. But they're not and this is the biggest problem with Soulbinds, Conduits and even Covenants (althoug I get that Covenants are the major feature and I understand why they're not spec-specific).

    Each spec has about 4 spec-specific and one Covenant-specific Potency Conduit at the moment. Changing between Conduits within the same spec should be limited. There would still be complains, but it eventually wouldn't force you to decide to play one spec effectively vs more than one spec less effectively (because that's the decision all of this is boiling down to). You already make this decision when it comes to gearing (stat allocation) and Legendaries. Soulbinds and Conduits shouldn't come atop of these limitations as icing on the cake. Nobody wants that, nobody needs that.
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  7. #64367
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The thing is, I agree with your general notion about WoW's game design. The problem is, this isn't adding any depth.

    Restricting Conduits would make sense when each spec had its own layout. Then I'd totally agree with you and say the limitations are justified. But they're not and this is the biggest problem with Soulbinds, Conduits and even Covenants (althoug I get that Covenants are the major feature and I understand why they're not spec-specific).

    Each spec has about 4 spec-specific and one Covenant-specific Potency Conduit at the moment. Changing between Conduits within the same spec should be limited. There would still be complains, but it eventually wouldn't force you to decide to play one spec effectively vs more than one spec less effectively (because that's the decision all of this is boiling down to).
    It is adding depth by focusing on the covenants in general forcing players to pick and choose what they want to be good at instead of being able to change at a whim.
    It is not a whole lot of depth, but it is more than there used to be, which is why it is an exciting change, it is a small step towards a much better version of WoW.

    And again though, as you just said there are only 4 potency conduits per spec not counting whatever conduits can be used across specs, which is added onto the fact that you have to use 3 different ones at all times. What are the odds you would want to change them that often. You have 3 different soulbinds, so just use one for each.

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    And again, playing more tha one spec less effectively should still add up to a net total of being more efficient since different specs should have different strengths. If you play a mage you can swap between Frost and Fire depending on the boss alongside the soubbinds and likely be more efficient overall than if you put all your eggs into one basket.
    Again, yes it would be a nerf to playing multiple specs but I think that is an acceptable compromise for a game that has gone so far in the opposite direction for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    IIRC it has been this way for all of BfA. I think Blizzard doesn't want the players to feel like they have to play at a specific time of day to not "miss out".
    Fair enough. Well, no change then, I guess it's okay!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Yes cause outside of doing dungeons and or M+(Which I do only on one set day) thats it.
    ??? lol

    This was an either/or question, not a yes/no question siiiiiigh such is life I guess. Maybe you mean "both"?

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    Meh, it'll be clumsy but fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    It's only the beginning. They're starting to work with some very suspect people.

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    I put the blame on when Morheime, when he used to be at the company. Agreed to let blizz accept more diversity of women minorities. Regardless of their backgrounds.

  11. #64371
    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    I put the blame on when Morheime, when he used to be at the company. Agreed to let blizz accept more diversity of women minorities. Regardless of their backgrounds.
    I mean Blizzard is stationed in California so it's inevitable that they'd adopt intersectional ideology. It's not about stopping the influx of LGBT+ representation or making WoW more inclusive to players of all types, because there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But what Blizzard does have is the choice of who they want to work with, and there's no excuse for some of the hateful people they've started to align themselves with.

    There are plenty of very kind and good-natured people on the left who aren't into making these edgy takes. That's on Blizzard for not being selective enough. Look at Christie Golden for example, she seems like a very nice person. Night and day difference between her and Roux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS View Post
    I mean Blizzard is stationed in California so it's inevitable that they'd adopt intersectional ideology. It's not about stopping the influx of LGBT+ representation or making WoW more inclusive to players of all types, because there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But what Blizzard does have is the choice of who they want to work with, and there's no excuse for some of the hateful people they've started to align themselves with.

    There are plenty of very kind and good-natured people on the left who aren't into making these edgy takes. That's on Blizzard for not being selective enough. Look at Christie Golden for example, she seems like a very nice person. Night and day difference between her and Roux.
    I agree, but that screenshot clearly shows they are starting now to not give a toss about those they hire (in terms of researching them up) before they hire them. And thats sad and pathetic.

  13. #64373
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think many posters here don’t realize how much it is because they haven’t experienced it by themselves yet and only ready about it.

    As soon as you reach 60 in Shadowlands, for several hours you’re just unlocking system after system after system after system. It’s honestly a mess, especially when you do it for the first time.
    it really is insane
    they changed up the soulbind unlock so you have to quest a bit before getting it
    first time through you will have to do 9 torghast runs
    upside after 3 months your world quests give ilvl200 gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Yeah... I don't know how this is going to go well in the future. Maybe they'll make a character with Autism or something though?
    Not sure how they'd pull that off tbh

    Also seeing that Twitter screenshot is why I'm scared to post on Twitter
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    Quote Originally Posted by BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS View Post
    I mean Blizzard is stationed in California so it's inevitable that they'd adopt intersectional ideology. It's not about stopping the influx of LGBT+ representation or making WoW more inclusive to players of all types, because there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But what Blizzard does have is the choice of who they want to work with, and there's no excuse for some of the hateful people they've started to align themselves with.

    There are plenty of very kind and good-natured people on the left who aren't into making these edgy takes. That's on Blizzard for not being selective enough. Look at Christie Golden for example, she seems like a very nice person. Night and day difference between her and Roux.
    Dude, you know this is all strictly against forum rules, right? You might want to take it down before it gets taken down.

    Even aside from that, the only where it's even clear that there's an actual definite problem is Roux, and I think you know it. Everything else is just impolite ways of putting stuff or arguable opinions. About topics which aren't allowed on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS View Post
    It's only the beginning. They're starting to work with some very suspect people.

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    I mean it is a problem but bad faith actors crying about them makes it harder. Like I said right now its not really a problem and nobody should be freaking out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    I put the blame on when Morheime, when he used to be at the company. Agreed to let blizz accept more diversity of women minorities. Regardless of their backgrounds.
    I really hate when people treat woman/man, black/white, etc. as different tribes, where every tribe MUST have representation in company or game. Blizzard should pick best writers they can and don't give a shit what is color of his/her skin or who he/she like to f*ck after work.

    Same with story elements, you can clearly see they put some token stories for virtue signaling on different interviews how great they are. In Warcraft most (if not all) romance story are forced, just remember how we mocked Thrall wedding.

    But it's not only Blizzard, just western world slowly losing it's mind and California is eye of the storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I mean it is a problem but bad faith actors crying about them makes it harder. Like I said right now its not really a problem and nobody should be freaking out.







    They aren't actual employees just done contracted work.
    i mean if someone who has a contract with my company acts in that way...i certainly wouldnt let them effect my flagship IP.


    i mean retcon will happen in the future but i swear if they make wrathion make sweet love to his half brother and turn into a female dragon....well tahts just too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I really hate when people treat woman/man, black/white, etc. as different tribes, where every tribe MUST have representation in company or game. Blizzard should pick best writers they can and don't give a shit what is color of his/her skin or who he/she like to f*ck after work.

    Same with story elements, you can clearly see they put some token stories for virtue signaling on different interviews how great they are. In Warcraft most (if not all) romance story are forced, just remember how we mocked Thrall wedding.

    But it's not only Blizzard, just western world slowly losing it's mind and California is eye of the storm.
    but you dont understand
    Shaw and flynn are so totally organic
    its not like Shaw had a thing for a certain elf or anything through the established story already
    no no no we need to give him a day of bonding with a guy he found annoying for 90% of it before the magic moment he got a boner for him

    anyways...WHOS READY FOR PREPATCH BOYS!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I really hate when people treat woman/man, black/white, etc. as different tribes, where every tribe MUST have representation in company or game. Blizzard should pick best writers they can and don't give a shit what is color of his/her skin or who he/she like to f*ck after work.

    Same with story elements, you can clearly see they put some token stories for virtue signaling on different interviews how great they are. In Warcraft most (if not all) romance story are forced, just remember how we mocked Thrall wedding.

    But it's not only Blizzard, just western world slowly losing it's mind and California is eye of the storm.
    I dunno I just think the people in that picture is part of a crazy section of the internet that corporations like to pander/placate.
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