1. #66781
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Well to be fair, Sargeras didn't want to corrupt Azeroth. He wanted to destroy her before the Void could corrupt her.
    Regardless it was a case of us having to save the world soul from Sargeras, similar to how BfA was us trying to save the World Soul from N'zoth. It would be a bit of a letdown if SL also ends up with us having to defend the World Soul from The Jailer or Sylvanas.
    Now previous ones have also in a way had us defend the World Soul like in Cata where Deathwing wanted to destroy the world, but these last 2 have been very on the nose as to what the final boss is about, especially now that this is the third one that looks to do something similar.
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  2. #66782
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Hopefully it won't end up that every expansion has the same ending of having to prevent [Villain] from corrupting the World Soul. We have already had 2 expansions in a row do that story, 3 is really pushing it. This one would need something different to set it apart.
    It's just logical. Once you introduce a plot device like the World Soul of Azeroth that is SO POWERFUL, then it's just natural that every outside force would go after said World Soul.

    As Xe'ra attempted to bind Illidan and reforge him as a Light creature, what makes you think she wouldn't try to do the same with the World Soul, given the chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Well to be fair, Sargeras didn't want to corrupt Azeroth. He wanted to destroy her before the Void could corrupt her.
    As mentioned in Legion, Sargeras actually wanted to control the World Soul. When he was pulled back into the Nether as the portal collapsed during the Sundering, he had a vision of the World Soul within the planet's core, and he resolved to make the World Soul "his".

    At the end of the Antorus raid, Sargeras attempted to destroy Azeroth because, in his mind, if he couldn't have the World Soul then no one would. It should also be remembered that Sargeras was trying to create his own Dark Pantheon to cleanse the cosmos, so he wanted to corrupt Azeroth with the Fel and add her to his Dark Pantheon. As well, he also tried to corrupt the World Soul of Argus and bind him to his will.

    There's a reason why, during the Antorus raid, Sargeras decided to cover Azeroth as a massive astral cloud instead of... just stabbing it right from the start:

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  3. #66783
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    It's just logical. Once you introduce a plot device like the World Soul of Azeroth that is SO POWERFUL, then it's just natural that every outside force would go after said World Soul.

    As Xe'ra attempted to bind Illidan and reforge him as a Light creature, what makes you think she wouldn't try to do the same with the World Soul, given the chance?
    I guess. Still though, I feel therer should be a more obscure way of going about it that doesnt make it feel like we have just repeated the same ending with different villains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    All of those are effectively consequences of the colloquial use of the word, so i'd rather strongly disagree with your claim. Most of these misunderstandings come from people thinking "theory" = "guess".

    Besides, you don't have to have proper understanding of the scientific method to understand that "scientific theory" doesn't mean "guess made by a scientist", just like you don't need to know how exactly electronics work to understand that computers aren't run by little demons doing the calculations.
    I totally disagree on scientific method. I just cannot agree with you there. No-one who doesn't under the scientific method on a basic level is ever going to genuinely understand what makes a theory scientific or not. People who don't understand the scientific method strongly tend to see scientific theory as "guess made by a scientist". It's not a complicated or difficult idea, either.

    Theory = guess is a valid use. I'm sorry. It's right there - usage 3 B - conjecture (a sadly rare word). Theory isn't a word with narrow usage in English. It's a word with broad and contrasting, even conflicting usage. Maybe we need a better but w/e. You're misusing the term colloquial, I note. I suggest you follow the link.

    Conspiracy theories qualify as theories on multiple levels of the usage of theory, too. The main issue is that they tend to take things as "facts" which aren't facts. Likewise fan theories.
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  5. #66785
    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    Storywise you use the heart multiple times so storywise you have it
    Not during leveling. Can't speak for Horde, but Alliance doesn't use it at all during the leveling campaign.

    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    The object was meant to react to us because the writers made that happen.
    That's the writer's perspective, not the lore character's one though, so irrelevant to the discussion. Of course it reacts, otherwise the story would have been over then and there.

    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    1. There is something special about our character which canonically is the heart of Azeroth.
    We weren't exactly normal people even before getting the Heart. That's part of the reason we got it to begin with, so no, that isn't it.

    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    brand new character gets led to the heart at level 40
    You can't get it before that point. You don't automatically get it afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    It's just logical. Once you introduce a plot device like the World Soul of Azeroth that is SO POWERFUL, then it's just natural that every outside force would go after said World Soul.
    "There's Something About Azeroth" coming to theatres 2023.

    Joking aside I agree, and I wouldn't trust those glowing chandeliers further than I could throw them.
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  7. #66787
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    I totally disagree on scientific method. I just cannot agree with you there. No-one who doesn't under the scientific method on a basic level is ever going to genuinely understand what makes a theory scientific or not.
    Which isn't at all the point. It's not about getting perfect understanding of what the term means, but a basic understanding of what it doesn't. You do not need to know scientific method for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Theory = guess is a valid use.
    And i'm saying it shouldn't be, not that it isn't. Though encyclopedic entries on the matter disagree with you; guesses and hypotheses are not theories in any case. People just use the word for them anyway.

    Most of those uses are incorrectly applying the word when it should be conjecture or hypothesis, something your dictionary (which is supposed to catalogue actual common use, not original intent or correct one) wouldn't tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Maybe we need a better[sic]
    Well, yes, that's what i'm saying. Except that those words have long existed, they just need to actually get used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Most of those uses are incorrectly applying the word when it should be conjecture or hypothesis, something your dictionary (which is supposed to catalogue actual common use, not original intent or correct one) wouldn't tell you.

    Well, yes, that's what i'm saying. Except that those words have long existed, they just need to actually get used.
    I feel like invoking the myth of King Cnut or Blade's "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill...".
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  9. #66789
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Hopefully it won't end up that every expansion has the same ending of having to prevent [Villain] from corrupting the World Soul. We have already had 2 expansions in a row do that story, 3 is really pushing it. This one would need something different to set it apart.
    There are (or were based on how successful the Legion was) more planets in the universe.
    The question with any very powerful entity is why do they care about Azeroth at all? If the Jailer has access to most of creation, why worry about a single planet?

    The answer is that Azeroth is the only planet left with a World Soul. So any cosmic level baddy will only care about Azeroth because of that.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  10. #66790
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    There are (or were based on how successful the Legion was) more planets in the universe.
    The question with any very powerful entity is why do they care about Azeroth at all? If the Jailer has access to most of creation, why worry about a single planet?

    The answer is that Azeroth is the only planet left with a World Soul. So any cosmic level baddy will only care about Azeroth because of that.
    The thing about the text of the herald is that she says "what has been denied" and refers to the jailer. That implies a certain connection other than just the last (inactive?) titan.

    I have to agree with others, this seems like we will get a titan soul origin plot here and frankly I fear they've overused the Azeroth-center-of-the-universe plot already.
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  11. #66791
    Goldshire is pretty fun with all the zombies running around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    There are (or were based on how successful the Legion was) more planets in the universe.
    The question with any very powerful entity is why do they care about Azeroth at all? If the Jailer has access to most of creation, why worry about a single planet?

    The answer is that Azeroth is the only planet left with a World Soul. So any cosmic level baddy will only care about Azeroth because of that.
    Which clearly isn't a thing. There is in theory more world souls out there just not known ones other then Azeroth.
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  13. #66793
    Azeroth must be one hot piece of ass for everyone to be after her

  14. #66794
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    There are (or were based on how successful the Legion was) more planets in the universe.
    The question with any very powerful entity is why do they care about Azeroth at all? If the Jailer has access to most of creation, why worry about a single planet?

    The answer is that Azeroth is the only planet left with a World Soul. So any cosmic level baddy will only care about Azeroth because of that.
    The Legion provided the Jailor with an opening to get at the mortal realm through the whole Lich King affair. Azeroth does not need to have been an intentional target, it could be as simple as being the only available option.

  15. #66795
    It's pretty annoying, honestly. How do you take such an expanded universe they are introducing in Shadowlands, then narrow it back down to the same (lame) single objective? Boring!

  16. #66796
    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    It's pretty annoying, honestly. How do you take such an expanded universe they are introducing in Shadowlands, then narrow it back down to the same (lame) single objective? Boring!
    Same way everything in Marvel/DC revolves around the Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    It's pretty annoying, honestly. How do you take such an expanded universe they are introducing in Shadowlands, then narrow it back down to the same (lame) single objective? Boring!
    His background, what did the Jailer do to punish him to be forever in the Maw and its keeper. What is his origins, is he possibly a Natherzeim(As his CGI render features show). Why is Denathrius so Dreadlord like, and that weird book implying the Natherzeim have their claws in all the forces of the cosmos.



    Same way everything in Marvel/DC revolves around the Earth.

    I sorta thought the same when it was first said.
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  18. #66798
    So weird to think we are less than a week away from the expansion launching. For once I even managed to not spoil myself most of the stories and quests, or at least only checked far enough back that I only remember the rough outlines.

    Cannot wait to start hanging out wit hMograine and generally having a grand ol time in Maldraxxus.
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  19. #66799
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I sorta thought the same when it was first said.
    A bit of bias involved, though. We naturally wouldn't take much notice of things that don't involve Azeroth somehow.

  20. #66800
    Anyone feel the Zombie invasion event might be a tad too toothless and unthreatening?
    Seems the effort needed to organize a truly threatening zombie wave is a bit unproportional to how easy it is to stop it.
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