1. #1381
    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    I was not trying to sell my rambling as a "leak" I was just bored.
    Still better than most leaks, lol.
    Whatever...

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    Here is to hoping we get a world revamp. I just want WoW to be good again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    They use the first one, literal age (in years) of a thing




    They should have used the second one, which is Age as in a specific time period or era.
    Nice find. But that still leaves us with 3 scenarios.

    1. Blizzard messed up the translation
    2. The leaker made the chinese logo from scratch just to make the leak more legit.
    3. The whole thing is fake


    I'd rather pic this one over Shadowlands but I'm not convinced either is true.

  4. #1384
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    1. Blizzard messed up the translation
    2. The leaker made the chinese logo from scratch just to make the leak more legit.
    3. The whole thing is fake
    Literally half of WoW player base is Chinese. I seriously doubt they would make such a mistake in logo. Real leaker faking chinese logo does not sound very convincing either.

  5. #1385
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Nice find. But that still leaves us with 3 scenarios.

    1. Blizzard messed up the translation
    2. The leaker made the chinese logo from scratch just to make the leak more legit.
    3. The whole thing is fake


    I'd rather pic this one over Shadowlands but I'm not convinced either is true.
    Blizzard isn't having some dev google the translation. They have a dedicated localization department, probably based in China, whose only job is translating and preparing products for release in that region. Two and three are the same thing, there is no reason for a real leaker to try and increase their own legitimacy with a fake, they already know it's real. The logo is really poor quality in general. Even ignoring the weird border choice, I'd discount it just from these colors:



    They are abyssmal.
    Last edited by Hitei; 2019-09-12 at 07:30 AM.

  6. #1386
    It's gonna be really funny when one of those leaks which people are trying to so desperately prove to be fake turns out accurate (as usual) and the nay-saying spergs suddenly go super quiet. All xpacs have been leaked in a similar fashion so far. With that being said, the most likely "true" leak is the first one that came out, the developer from the art team "AMA". I don't think either Age of Awakening or Shadowlands are actually true, -BUT- they COULD be.

  7. #1387
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    It's gonna be really funny when one of those leaks which people are trying to so desperately prove to be fake turns out accurate (as usual) and the nay-saying spergs suddenly go super quiet.
    Yeah but we can't say which of the dozens of "leaks" is a real one, or if there's a real one at all.

    "One of them could be real" is a far, far cry from actual proof, and frankly, it's disgusting to use the rhetoric of a conspiracy theorist.

  8. #1388
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    It's gonna be really funny when one of those leaks which people are trying to so desperately prove to be fake turns out accurate (as usual) and the nay-saying spergs suddenly go super quiet. All xpacs have been leaked in a similar fashion so far. With that being said, the most likely "true" leak is the first one that came out, the developer from the art team "AMA". I don't think either Age of Awakening or Shadowlands are actually true, -BUT- they COULD be.
    but they were usually leaked on blizzcon day or the day before, not month in advance. And usuallly rather minimalistic and not elaborate leaks with explanations of everything, including maps and whatnot

  9. #1389
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    It's gonna be really funny when one of those leaks which people are trying to so desperately prove to be fake turns out accurate (as usual) and the nay-saying spergs suddenly go super quiet. All xpacs have been leaked in a similar fashion so far. With that being said, the most likely "true" leak is the first one that came out, the developer from the art team "AMA". I don't think either Age of Awakening or Shadowlands are actually true, -BUT- they COULD be.
    No expansion has ever been leaked in a shitty sideways phone picture of a bad logo, though. I think Shadowlands is entirely possible. I also think it's story is shaky, the entire timing on the last fight somehow leaving characters trapped in the Shadowlands is nonsense, the map looks like what a fan would make to try and impress people on a forum, not like what an actual concept map looks like, the logo is badly composed and too close to Legion's and the screenshot is a clear fake.
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  10. #1390
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    How is this a lot of work? Do people not know how easy it is to just copy paste things onto a frame and change the color in photoshop?

    Also the Chinese logo's subtitle is literally just google translated exactly as is from English to Chinese.

    It uses what I can only assume is the wrong "age". 年齡 literally means "age of a thing", so your age, or a rock's age, or the planet's age.
    When it should probably be using 時代 which is the age we are talking about, like age of empires, see:

    *眾旅遊時代 / *众旅游时代 ― dàzhòng lǚyóu shídài ― age of mass tourism
    一個時代的產物 / 一个时代的产物 ― yīge shídài de chǎnwù ― a product of an era
    時代氣息 / 时代气息 ― shídài qìxī ― spirit of the times
    禮樂時代 / 礼乐时代 ― lǐyuè shídài ― age of rites and music (i.e. the Zhou dynasty, especially Western Zhou)
    It's still a lot of work for a fake:

    They used the correct fonts, they altered the frame and the background with things that Blizzard could have used, nothing screams "hey, this is clearly fake"...

    It's not work in the sense of hard to photoshop, but in the sense of they did they homework studying previous logos, and not something that a 13y.o. would do in 5min. but someone with a minimum knowledge on art design.

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    The circles used in that logo are still intriguing.
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  12. #1392
    Quote Originally Posted by DotEleven View Post
    He's still not wrong about it. Patch logos don't usually have World of Warcraft in them. Expansion logos do.

    It looks like the only Patch ones that did were legions Shadows of Argus and Tomb of Sargeras but even there the "World of Warcraft" was much more understated almost like "World of Warcraft" was the subtitle for the patch instead of the other way around.
    Yeah, I posted it just to reinforce his point.

  13. #1393
    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    It's still a lot of work for a fake:
    It's not like we haven't seen well-done fakes before. Didn't someone on here knock up a couple of full webpages before?
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  14. #1394
    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    It's still a lot of work for a fake:

    They used the correct fonts, they altered the frame and the background with things that Blizzard could have used, nothing screams "hey, this is clearly fake"...

    It's not work in the sense of hard to photoshop, but in the sense of they did they homework studying previous logos, and not something that a 13y.o. would do in 5min. but someone with a minimum knowledge on art design.
    The logo certainly requires work but nearly as much as you think. It is probably a couple of hours for a person who knows their photoshop. We already had a bunch of "leaks" that required similar time investment.


    I was actually thinking about what I would try to use as a proof of my leak (assuming I am a real leaker not fake one). And an obvious thing is in-game screenshot/photo of a completely new location. Why? Because those are very easy to make, do not compromise my identity and, if I make a bunch of them with different perspectives, are pretty hard to fake. Stuff like photo from internal presentation is an immediate no-go because they narrow suspect circle too much. Different raw assets are also rather dangerous to leak.
    Just imagine seeing a couple of screenshots of, I dunno, Nighthold or Broken shore sometime before Legion announcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    It's still a lot of work for a fake:

    They used the correct fonts, they altered the frame and the background with things that Blizzard could have used, nothing screams "hey, this is clearly fake"...

    It's not work in the sense of hard to photoshop, but in the sense of they did they homework studying previous logos, and not something that a 13y.o. would do in 5min. but someone with a minimum knowledge on art design.
    Or if it is fake, whoever did it just looked at previous fake logo leaks to take care of the main debunk points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDC View Post
    The logo certainly requires work but nearly as much as you think. It is probably a couple of hours for a person who knows their photoshop. We already had a bunch of "leaks" that required similar time investment.


    I was actually thinking about what I would try to use as a proof of my leak (assuming I am a real leaker not fake one). And an obvious thing is in-game screenshot/photo of a completely new location. Why? Because those are very easy to make, do not compromise my identity and, if I make a bunch of them with different perspectives, are pretty hard to fake. Stuff like photo from internal presentation is an immediate no-go because they narrow suspect circle too much. Different raw assets are also rather dangerous to leak.
    Just imagine seeing a couple of screenshots of, I dunno, Nighthold or Broken shore sometime before Legion announcement.
    Thing is, a real leak would not try to do much to reinforce their leak since they would compromise themselves more.
    It is possible that two logo leaks for an expansion happened days (hours?) apart but unlikely.

    Also, screenshots of new locations are not solid proof. Since there is a whole branch of the wow modding community dedicated to changing/making new ingame locations, even with custom models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    I would like to see [place holder] but why does it matter when game design is already set in stone and players do not participate in it and they won't change their vision of the game? What's the point of this? To fantasize? That is not how hyping works.

    Title should be "Lets fantasize what we can get in World of WarCraft".
    IMO main reason is to prevent countless threads popping up for every single leak that happens or a wish player has and to move the discussions to a centralized location while waiting for an expansion announcement. And so other people on the forum know where they can catch up on the newest info instead of browsing countless threads (possible leaks, datamined info, trademarks).

    And until it hits closed alpha testing for the community, I think no system is set in stone (heck, a lot of expansions had systems shown in the announcement that were removed before testing started).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDC View Post
    Real leaker faking chinese logo does not sound very convincing either.
    Doesn't make much sense, I know. But neither does spending days to fake and ingame screenshot for your 5 minutes of fame. The leaker might have figured that since the legit Legion leak was a bunch of chinese riddles, he would sinify his leak. Now I'm not convinced it is real. Far from it. But I'd rather pick this than Shadowlands. That went full retard.

  17. #1397
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Doesn't make much sense, I know. But neither does spending days to fake and ingame screenshot for your 5 minutes of fame. The leaker might have figured that since the legit Legion leak was a bunch of chinese riddles, he would sinify his leak. Now I'm not convinced it is real. Far from it. But I'd rather pick this than Shadowlands. That went full retard.
    It's also possible though that whoever created the "leaks" wasn't really trying to make leaks at all. Maybe they're interested in graphic design, or modding, or just photoshopping things, and they also really like WoW, so they decided to practice by making a fake WoW expansion. Not with the intent to fool people, but just because they thought it would be fun. So they posted it asking for feedback on their logo, then someone reposts it elsewhere claiming it's a leak.

    Like there are so many possibilities when it comes to that stuff that it's impossible to know for sure until Blizzard announces something themselves or the information is data mined.

    Of course some people make fake leaks to purposely fool people, but I don't think that has to always be the case. And I also don't think leaks are a bad thing, they're kind of fun when it gets everybody speculating on what's going to happen. But I also don't think it's ever really worth taking seriously unless there's some kind of definitive proof, like the leaks we saw for Mortal Kombat where all the DLC character names were found in the code.

  18. #1398
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    They use the first one, literal age (in years) of a thing




    They should have used the second one, which is Age as in a specific time period or era.
    You are absolutely correct.

    I had no idea whether "Age of Awakening" is real or fake until I saw this laughable "Chinese" translation.

    NO ONE who excels at Chinese would translate the "Age" in this case into "年龄",
    because it doesn't make any sense at all.

    We who know Chinese very well will definitely translate the "Age" in this case into "时代",
    or sometimes "年代" which is closer to "era", and we'll also tend to not use the "的" in the middle,
    because using "的" feels too colloquial.

    "觉醒时代" or "觉醒年代" are what its Chinese name will likely be if this "Age of Awakening" is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    That is fine but this forum has shit rules so they will just say "don't necro" and close thread, just so you open another one with all history of previous one neglected. GG.
    These discussion threads have a track record of getting closed only once the expansion in question releases, and gets renamed in the meantime (like the 8.3 speculation thread, I think it was OG 8.2 discussion).

    Point being that these "hypethreads" do serve a purpose and they are a part of MMO-C culture going years back

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    Quote Originally Posted by shitposter View Post
    You are absolutely correct.

    I had no idea whether "Age of Awakening" is real or fake until I saw this laughable "Chinese" translation.

    NO ONE who excels at Chinese would translate the "Age" in this case into "年龄",
    because it doesn't make any sense at all.

    We who know Chinese very well will definitely translate the "Age" in this case into "时代",
    or sometimes "年代" which is closer to "era", and we'll also tend to not use the "的" in the middle,
    because using "的" feels too colloquial.

    "觉醒时代" or "觉醒年代" are what its Chinese name will likely be if this "Age of Awakening" is real.
    That's even assuming the title will be a literal translation.
    For Final Fantasy XIV Heavensward was titled: Azure Skies of Ishgard in japanese. Stormblood was Liberators of the Crimson Lotus while Shadowbringers is Jetblack traitors.

    Dunno what the practice in WoW is. but Mists of Pandaria doesn't look like Mists of Pandaria. It does include panda though.

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