1. #1681
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    whatever happened to the bear guy. the guy with the bear avatar that was yelling or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyMagicc View Post
    whatever happened to the bear guy. the guy with the bear avatar that was yelling or something
    Are you talking about Ulfar the thornspeaker leader in Drustvar who you can talk to as a Hunter asking about the animals that look like part plant and he scoffs and asks if you're looking for a new pet?

  3. #1683
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Of all the "leaks," you can spot them a mile away because they don't include very basic things Blizzard is dedicated to continuing:

    N'zoth
    *This is the one thing the "leaks" gets right. N'zoth is obviously the villain of the next expansion. And they didn't want to say N'zoth was the villain of BFA because it would be disappointing to not defeat the big bad at the end of the expansion. Though we can expect some fan-service for 8.3 in the same way we did Siege of Org at the end of Mists
    This is actually the biggest red flag that a leak is fake. The entire expac has been building up to N'zoth. We have been teased and told by Blizz several times he's the endboss.

  4. #1684
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    This is actually the biggest red flag that a leak is fake. The entire expac has been building up to N'zoth. We have been teased and told by Blizz several times he's the endboss.
    No we haven't. He's clearly the villain. But he will be the villain for the next expansion. They're not going to kill N'zoth off in one expansion, especially in one farting around with island bullshit. His forces are too great, just like we had two whole expansions dedicated to fighting the burning legion

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    no clearly nzoth is the villain of the next expansion and not sylvanas, i mean nzoth is at the blizzcon poster etc.

  6. #1686
    Quote Originally Posted by George Costanza View Post
    no clearly nzoth is the villain of the next expansion and not sylvanas, i mean nzoth is at the blizzcon poster etc.
    I mean Garrosh(?) isn't really the villain of WoD, and Jaina isn't really the villain of BfA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotEleven View Post
    Are you talking about Ulfar the thornspeaker leader in Drustvar who you can talk to as a Hunter asking about the animals that look like part plant and he scoffs and asks if you're looking for a new pet?
    nah im talking about a user on this forum. he was a cool guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    This is actually the biggest red flag that a leak is fake. The entire expac has been building up to N'zoth. We have been teased and told by Blizz several times he's the endboss.
    I don't think we'll be fighting him directly yet, I think we will be dealing with something that is the result of his corrupting (and in a way, dealing with him as the end boss because of his involvement).

  9. #1689
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    So, after “9.0 was scrapped”, we now have “9.0 will be a raid of reused assets”?
    Gotta stay being negative.

  10. #1690
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    They're not going to kill N'zoth off in one expansion
    Yes, they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I mean Garrosh(?) isn't really the villain of WoD,
    That depends on how you look at it. He was not the end boss. He was not a raid boss. He was not even a dungeon boss. But he came up with the idea of the Iron Horde and he convinced the alternate orcs that it is a good idea.

  12. #1692
    Quote Originally Posted by WonderZebra View Post
    No problem! Its just if we're doing a world revamp I'd rather it wasn't cataclysm 2.0 with the Black Empire.
    My main problem with cata and some other stories in WoW is that we always win

    Look at the klaxxi line: we helped them defeat a queen gone mad and then they revealed that they keep attacking the pandaren to strengthen the hive for the old ones return

    The troll in that LK dungeon who had us help him only to reveal he served arthas

    The dragon in hyjal that we helped only for her to turn into a servant of ragnaros


    I want an expansion where we may see what we do as a victory but in the end we lose something

    I want 8.3 to be us killing queeny for the last time but n'zoth already planned for that. He used her as a distraction to mobilize his forces causing those of us who are still blessed with his gift to suffer and the only way we survive the attack is dragon ex machina

    Wrathion and some of his allies swoop in and rescue us using the same concoction he used on ebonhorn

    We learn that the heart he ate has been the cause of recent flashes of the solution to the old gods

    We need the arcanomicon that the blue flight hid in their territory in the dragon isles after the deathwing nonsense that led to betrayal by the only competitor to their new leader kalec

    The bronze aspect has disappeared and recent sightings place him on the isles but it seems the infinite are also there possibly tracking him to the sands of time

    The twilight dragons are clashing with the red and aim to destroy alexzstraza ending the confrontation started in the crucible line

    Wrathion must take his first steps on his journey of redemption and face the legacy of his family. He will come to face the consequences of his actions from cata and some echoes of his siblings. The final step is to overcome his father's shadow and find out that in his last lucid moments neltharion created a weapon capable of destroying the corruption but at the cost of the life of those who empower it.

    The new dragon soul requires strength beyond that of the current aspects and thus the flights suffer losses unheard of.

    Chromie
    Kalec
    Alexzstraza
    The children of ysera
    Wrathion and ebonhorn

    They along with mortals of azeroth must empower this weapon and end the voids grip on this planet once and for all






    That is how you make a story blizz I expect my check in the mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Yes, they are.
    Just not this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Of all the "leaks," you can spot them a mile away because they don't include very basic things Blizzard is dedicated to continuing:

    N'zoth
    *This is the one thing the "leaks" gets right. N'zoth is obviously the villain of the next expansion. And they didn't want to say N'zoth was the villain of BFA because it would be disappointing to not defeat the big bad at the end of the expansion. Though we can expect some fan-service for 8.3 in the same way we did Siege of Org at the end of Mists

    Mechanics
    *They had some plan for Warfronts. What they are in BFA was just a prototype. Maybe next expansion we'll get a PvP version. There are also files for a Silvermoon, Azshara & Mulgore warfronts which will likely come into play before 9.0. Not a huge priority but it's biggest purpose was giving the original races sets of badly needed racial-aesthetic armor & structures.
    *I saw one proposal that instead of coming up with new class abilities, that in 9.0 players get a second class. Not unlike what the latest Dungeon Run in Hearthstone did. Instead of new abilities, a max level player gets an ability from the other class while in a different spec. A Priest/Death-Knight would get a Battle Rez while in Holy. Or A Shaman/Monk could get Aspect of the Crane while Enhancement. This would appease all the players who complain about having to change class for guild reasons but don't want to start their Reputation grind over, without getting rid of the appeal of alts entirely.
    *Another good idea I saw thrown around was now that classes have anywhere between 2 to 4 specs, they start giving classes new specs. They wouldn't even have to do this at any uniform rate. Just new specs whenever they get a new idea for a playstyle.

    Narrative
    *Lich King (not Arthas, Bolvar) was in this expansion. That was weird? They introduced her secret daughter for seemingly no reason? I expect that come up again.
    *Calia. I don't know where they're going with her. She doesn't like the Horde so I don't see her becoming a replacement for Sylvanas. There was also datamined flavor banter for a Resurgence of the Scarlet Brotherhood, where they spread propaganda against her & Jaina's undead brother (who were apparently paramours when they were alive?)
    *Silithus. I've said it before but doesn't it look like Sargeras' Sword is just begging to be a raid instance? It's even got its own portal.

    Pre-Order
    *Since the BFA pre-order made obscene amounts of money by granting Allied races it's safe to assume they'll be repeating this for the eighth expansion. They revealed 8 new allied races even if it took the most recent one almost 2 years to be open to players.
    *Arkoan, Vulpera, Gilgoblin & Mechagnomes fit the niche that Nightborne, Highmountain tauren, Void Elves & Lightforged Draenei did, complete with their own corresponding reputations.
    *The other 4 are harder to predict since there will likely be tied to to theming of the next expansion. But Forsaken Blood Elves & Forsaken Night Elves are already popular. As well as I'm sure Alliance players have been wanting Vyrkul for years. There are even some new Undead Night Elves in the 8.2.5 datamine. Might Sylvanas & her valkyr be returning to Darnassus?
    the dual class system is actually really interesting especially because there is a game that already pulled it off rather well once you get past the whole supergrind pay-to-win aspects of it look up runes of magic

  13. #1693
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    My main problem with cata and some other stories in WoW is that we always win
    "My problem is that we always win."
    "What they should do is have us win, and then a new threat shows up, and then we beat that threat"

    ?????

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    Honestly if I had to bet on a few things, I'd say at the end of the expansion we will use the heart of Azeroth to heal the wound. But since we empowered it so much it would also heal some of the Cataclysm's wounds, resulting in a World Revamp.

    A lot of people think it's never going to happen but let's think about it. If you look at the new warsong / arathi assets, you already have half the models done for a world revamp. All the Kalimdor zones that are forest / night elves area use the same tree skin which are the one used in the Warsong Gulch. They also have the textures for the barrens, and could also use Gorgrond / Voldun for the Thousand Needles.

    As for the Eastern Kingdom, all the human town, and I insist on it were using the same buildings that we saw in the old Arathi Bassin. They just have to change the Stromgarde fist emblem on them, which is only one texture and eventually add more roof colors and then we have it. As for the trees, Lordaeron is mostly composed of pines. For the swamp areas, I think the Nazmir assets would fit. Same for Stranglethorn, they can simply use most of the Zuldazar doodads. And Island Exploration shown us that they don't care about recycling some assets because let's be honest, it does not look bad at all.

    They just have the town to revamp, a few dungeon (but they're always doing new dungeon so I don't think it's going to be problematic) and to remake a few models. I can think of those :
    Gnoll, centaur, basic wolf, basic boar, stalagg and feugen, swamp things, bone golem (rattlegore), skeletal mage (aka Bloodmage Thalnos' old model, still used in the Plaguelands) ram, gargoyles, lions, giraffes, antelope and maybe some silithids if they're still a thing.

  15. #1695
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie081 View Post
    I know most people hate BFA and can't wait for 9.0, but doesn't BFA still have just under another year left in it? Legion lasted 2 years and BFA is just over 1 year old.
    The new expansion won't launch until maybe next September

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    So has anyone thought about the possibility that once we hit 10.0 The game stops

    Like that could be the final expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "My problem is that we always win."
    "What they should do is have us win, and then a new threat shows up, and then we beat that threat"

    ?????
    My point is we never really lose a battle

    Like the broken shore we lost that battle we got destroyed we left we came back and we won but we were beaten at one point which doesn't happen a lot

    We went to Argus and we dominated
    We walk into suramare and we dominate
    We went into icecrown and we dominate
    We get on the back of the worldbreaker and we dominate

    You can count on both hands the amount of times where we seemingly one but in reality it was a hollow victory and that feeling is actually really nice because it means that we aren't unbeatable and that the conflict isn't one-sided

    In the lich King fight nobody expected us to actually die and then we get brought back and win but the reality is still that we lost that battle

    In the immortal words of Rocky Balboa in life it doesn't matter how hard you hit it matters how hard you can get hit and get right back up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Probably worth pointing out that they deliberately added an entire massive raid area under Orgrimmar rather than just having the raid be the city.
    Sure, I was just pointing out for a Stormwind raid everything's right there. You can start at the Harbour, go to Cathedral district and finish off in the Castle or wherever you choose to. They don't have to add anything, Stormwind has quite some scenarios where fights could happen (more than Orgrimmar would have had imho).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    My point is we never really lose a battle

    Like the broken shore we lost that battle we got destroyed we left we came back and we won but we were beaten at one point which doesn't happen a lot

    We went to Argus and we dominated
    We walk into suramare and we dominate
    We went into icecrown and we dominate
    We get on the back of the worldbreaker and we dominate

    You can count on both hands the amount of times where we seemingly one but in reality it was a hollow victory and that feeling is actually really nice because it means that we aren't unbeatable and that the conflict isn't one-sided

    In the lich King fight nobody expected us to actually die and then we get brought back and win but the reality is still that we lost that battle

    In the immortal words of Rocky Balboa in life it doesn't matter how hard you hit it matters how hard you can get hit and get right back up
    Sounds like you don't really read quests or pay attention honestly.

    We went to Argus to find the Army of Light nearly destroyed and had to hide in a cave and rely on the broken to survive.
    We walked into Suramar and immediately had to retreat into a safe cave to not get killed by the withered, had to sneak around Suramar in disguise to slowly build up our forces for an attack on Suramar, nearly died to the Fal'dorei and were saved by a random druid, finally prepared enough to attack Suramar, attacked and had our entire armies time stopped by Elisande, forcing us to retreat again and find a new way in.
    We tried to walk into icecrown, had our forces nearly die to Arthas and then get massacred by Putress, made our way in deeper and had out argent camp nearly brought to ruin so we had to retake that, finally made it into icecrown only to be one shot by Arthas when he decided to actually stop screwing around and get saved only by Ashbringer and the ghost of Terenas.
    I'd say your Deathwing example works except we started off the expansion struggling to deal with his damage while he ignored us, and desperately trying to survive against the forces of Ragnaros and the Naga, the Naga side of which we actually lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post


    My point is we never really lose a battle
    Hitei is gonna love this but I think you would like the story in Shadowbringers. TL;DR version. The big bad one and we died so everyone who still survived worked for hundreds of years to find a solution to undo that future. And even that almost failed.

    Hmm come to think of it we also lost at the end of A Realm Reborn. And at the end of Heavensward. Yes, we lose a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Sounds like you don't really read quests or pay attention honestly.

    We went to Argus to find the Army of Light nearly destroyed and had to hide in a cave and rely on the broken to survive.
    We walked into Suramar and immediately had to retreat into a safe cave to not get killed by the withered, had to sneak around Suramar in disguise to slowly build up our forces for an attack on Suramar, nearly died to the Fal'dorei and were saved by a random druid, finally prepared enough to attack Suramar, attacked and had our entire armies time stopped by Elisande, forcing us to retreat again and find a new way in.
    We tried to walk into icecrown, had our forces nearly die to Arthas and then get massacred by Putress, made our way in deeper and had out argent camp nearly brought to ruin so we had to retake that, finally made it into icecrown only to be one shot by Arthas when he decided to actually stop screwing around and get saved only by Ashbringer and the ghost of Terenas.
    I'd say your Deathwing example works except we started off the expansion struggling to deal with his damage while he ignored us, and desperately trying to survive against the forces of Ragnaros and the Naga, the Naga side of which we actually lost.
    With the nightfallen I don't really consider that something because we went in and built up an army of essentially foot soldiers to throw away but considering we had the guardian on our side we could have just gone in while all of the conflict in that zone I think was created just for a story aspect which I'm not saying was a bad thing but when you go in and you see oh my God this big bad time Majesty magic check is the big bad and we need to defeat Peter we know we're going to the theater you knew once you went in there that no matter what she did you were going to win that fight


    So the Argus thing yeah technically we were saved by the army of light but then at that point we had nothing to really worry about the broken were there and they helped us the same way the wave later currently helping us and that we have a place for when we win every single fight we went into the burning throne and killed essentially gods and I'm not even talking about Argos I'm talking about the dude with the sword that I can't remember the name of right now but yeah I get your point on that and lich King in icecrown I wasn't here during wrath so I only got crappy side quest version of that but those moments are the best

    Facing a big bad and losing is what I want

    What I want is for N'zoth to win in our first confrontation

    What I want is for the broken shore to essentially be an overarching theme

    I want us to have a clear goal and on our way to achieving that goal we face an enemy that is insurmountable and we lose severely

    I want to come face-to-face with this big demon dragon corrupted thing and right as we think we are going to win it reveals that it wasn't even trying

    I essentially want Luffy versus kaijo

    The reason is because well that meaning of victory is really nice sometimes you need to lose something in order for the character or the reader or the player to have more of a sense of accomplishment

    Much like wandering onto the home base of the legion and not being absolutely destroyed by demons was a little strange to some people

    I don't think that blizzard should have us release this final old God this creature who has been alive for thousands of years who has had the power to corrupt beings as strong as deathwing and to have access to an army like the klaxxi and then kill him one patch later.

    When you build up an enemy beat deathwing be at the legion be it an old God you add a little bit of wonder and grandeur to the being them self and then you have to build up that fight and right now we are characters who used an item to free him and that item is the strongest thing in our possession so the question is can we kill him

    I want a scene where he rises out of the ocean and goes to attacks stormwind and then the giant Cannon that the goblins have fires at him and he turns into smoke and cannonball or the plaster whatever you want to call it wipes out the human capital

    Tldr

    World of Warcraft has had these big bad fights happened so much that we know that when we come into a confrontation with one we are going to end out on top but what I think we need is a confrontation where everything seems to go our way until the last minute and we lose which is kind of the feeling that we got in palace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Hitei is gonna love this but I think you would like the story in Shadowbringers. TL;DR version. The big bad one and we died so everyone who still survived worked for hundreds of years to find a solution to undo that future. And even that almost failed.

    Hmm come to think of it we also lost at the end of A Realm Reborn. And at the end of Heavensward. Yes, we lose a lot.
    I might have to play final fantasy at some point but I have never been able to juggle to MMOs except when I played runes of magic which was so good and I am still f****** crushed that the new company that took over abandoned it because that thing could have killed wow if it wasn't based on a pay-to-win system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Sure, I was just pointing out for a Stormwind raid everything's right there. You can start at the Harbour, go to Cathedral district and finish off in the Castle or wherever you choose to. They don't have to add anything, Stormwind has quite some scenarios where fights could happen (more than Orgrimmar would have had imho).
    The problem with Stormwind as a raid is that it is small and claustrophobic. Only the harbour can really accomodate a raid boss, two even. With Cathedral you're already stretching it (if you bulldoze the trees and the fountain, you have about the same size as the Champion of Light in Dazar'alore, maybe), and the throne room is just tiny.

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