how long does an animal have to be domesticated before it's not an exotic animal

[Pentai]

Depends on the breeding stage, whether said breed has the right traits to integrate and establish itself as a non-threatening and productive asset of a social setting.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Since you like sugar gliders

Oh my GOOD! Look at them! You even have a white one! I was shocked to learn that whilst regular Sugar gliders cost 200 euro around here, the white ones go for as much as 700 euro! O.O

They are just too sweet. I went and met some sugar gliders when I was visiting family in Gothenburg and they were soft, careful but still inquisitive and so open to human contact. Whilst I never hope they'll be as common as hamsters, it's nice to see them growing as a pet here in Sweden! The breeders are more selective about who they sell to than dog breeders at this point, which is awesome.

[the game]

Oh my GOOD! Look at them! You even have a white one! I was shocked to learn that whilst regular Sugar gliders cost 200 euro around here, the white ones go for as much as 700 euro! O.O

They are just too sweet. I went and met some sugar gliders when I was visiting family in Gothenburg and they were soft, careful but still inquisitive and so open to human contact. Whilst I never hope they'll be as common as hamsters, it's nice to see them growing as a pet here in Sweden! The breeders are more selective about who they sell to than dog breeders at this point, which is awesome.

I paid $500 for my cremino. She's actually more of a cream color than white. She also has the garnet eyes. but yes good breeders are selective about who they sell to. I had to sign an contract for the 2 greys and answer a quiz. For the cremino I had to answer a quiz and prove the enclosure and diet was good enough for them.

[Mihalik]

I have heard this argument before, and I am not sure I agree with it. I don't disagree with any of the facts, just the conclusion. While cats probably did join forces with us voluntarily (Dogs likely did too), I don't think that disqualifies them from being domesticated now, since humans have exerted influence on cat breeding for a very long time now. My preferred conclusion is that cats are domesticated, just that their role in human society (Primarily rodent control) was so close to their wild role that the animal is still perfectly capable of functioning either wild or tame.


This I do disagree with. There is very little difference between a Zebra and a Mongolian Wild Ass (One of the several ancestors of modern horses), as both are quite vicious. For that matter even domestic donkeys and horses can be extremely vicious if they are not tamed early in their life. I think the main reason Zebras were never domesticated is exactly because Africans never attempted it. Because they domesticated Dromedaries instead, which are a far more efficient work animal for the climate. To this day horses are extremely rare in Africa, while there are literally millions of Dromedaries. Zebras that are raised in zoos and such are as dependable as any other wild animal, and they have in fact been used to pull carriages and such (Although not often, because they are of course not domesticated). I see no reason why a few dozen generations of tamed Zebras couldn't result in a domesticated variant. There is just literally no reason to do so, because Horses and Camels both exist.
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The domestication of Zebras has been attempted more recently by others than Africans. There are a couple of problems with that which go beyond their temperament.

While Zebras travel in herds, they don't actually have a social structure. This seems to be very necessary for animals that are supposed to have some sort of utilitarian use. Again, taming and domestication are wildly different things. Their behavior is highly unpredictable and they can easily kill humans. They also have a very well developed dodge reflex, which is surprisingly relevant as the dodge reflex triggers their fight or flight response.

Attempting to domesticate Zebras was all the fad during the colonial era.

https://thomsonsafaris.com/blog/tami...tion-attempts/

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is...n-domesticated

[Unholyground]

It takes the animal trusting you and ability to learn your body language, maybe a few generations depending on how long the lifespan of the animal is. Some are just better at learning our language. No animal is ever fully domesticated either.

[kaid]

The Domestic Hedgehog (1980s) and Domesticated Red Fox (1950s) say otherwise.

The red foxes are a very interesting example of a concerted methodical work to domesticate an animal from wild. They are still not as domesticated as dogs/cats but they willingly will interact with people and stay around them. Also demonstrates that certain physical changes happen during domestication to favor more puppy like appearances.

[smityx]

15,000 years..
Give or take a few decades.

That time was probably from Google and it was when the first domesticated dogs first appeared. From what little i've just looked up it's not a time thing per se but a process that must follow:

Domestication is when humans take a plant or animal species and, through selective breeding, transform the species into something beneficial for humans. ... When we think of domestication, we typically think of animals, but plants can also undergo a fairly radical domestication process.

So there will be no fixed time. It wil be radically different for each thing.

[Zero3]

So I often see people saying things like "oh that animal should be out in the wild," when they see an animal they don't agree with as a pet. They're ok with dogs and cats being domesticated though. People seem to forget that at one point in time Dogs and cats were not domesticated.

So how long does an animal have to be domesticated before it's not considered an exotic pet or people stop saying it belongs in the wild.

While cats are small and they mostly sleep anyway, most people do say about dogs that you need a small dog for a small yard. At least they do around here. If you live in an apartament building but want a caucasian mountain dog, most people would call you out on it like "they deserve more space, get one of the lil rat dogs" . So while yes not sending them in the wild, we do still say they need more space, which is still pretty close considering we're talking about dogs.

[Logwyn]

The red foxes are a very interesting example of a concerted methodical work to domesticate an animal from wild. They are still not as domesticated as dogs/cats but they willingly will interact with people and stay around them. Also demonstrates that certain physical changes happen during domestication to favor more puppy like appearances.

I agree. I find domestication an interesting topic.

[Kokolums]

Humans are slowly self-domesticating over thousands of years. Human brains are getting smaller, as all domesticated animals do, in the area that governs confidence and aggression.

What seems to be happening is that, as an animal gets hyper-intelligent, it gets REALLY efficient at killing its rivals. This makes it a huge threat to the group so it is killed. So over time, we select out the aggressive and confident from the gene pool.

We might look at docile and passive people as losers, but the truth is we are so intelligent that if our species ISNT filled with docile and passive people, wed all kill each other.