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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    That's the hilarious thing champ.

    The classes don't feel complete. Because they were completely and utterly gutted to be designed around their Artifact and Legendaries.


    Then they went right ahead and gutted those too, whilst adding absolutely nothing to fill the gaping hole left over. Lmfao this is too easy.
    Yes they do feel complete. In legion they did felt hollow without all that stuff.

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    Mythics aren't good, too much trash and too much of it can't be CCed. Eternal Palace is okay, a bit on the easy side.
    "checking armory" 7/8 HC, 748 io... fucking /facepalm
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  3. #383
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Yes they do feel complete. In legion they did felt hollow without all that stuff.
    That's your subjective opinion man.
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    PS - you might want to update your sig, since the player you are quoting was long ago banned for being a troll and trouble maker.
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    PS - you might want to spend more time researching why he's actually banned. Most of the time it's because his opinion doesn't line up with the opinions of threads he posts in and because the mods of this forum are most of the time a joke and just instantly ban people instead of actually looking at the reason.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    Oh okay. We're going to play that game?

    15ish Artifact Traits.
    1 Artifact Ability.
    2 Legendary talents.
    2 Set bonuses.

    vs

    3 shitty passive procs (6 if you count the double rings from 8.1)


    I mean. It's not that hard to compare is it? The Azerite "traits" are also all hilariously shit passive procs. "+84 mastery for 12 seconds"


    I can't believe people are still making this argument.
    Most of the artifact traits where just "shit passive procs" as well though and some of them are just baseline now. But hey if you don't like it, play something else.
    Your childish outbursts here will not help you.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    That's your subjective opinion man.
    Then tell me what is missing from classes?

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Not trying to confirm anything, however i personally do not like Naz. I do really enjoy Mecha though, and think it suits the daily style of gameplay far better - accessible, and easy to consume in small bites. If they insist on pushing further and further down the D3 road with quick daily content, this is the way to go - naz is just not enjoyable for me at all.
    Haven't been to Mechagon yet as I said. Maybe I should try that because Nazjatar is driving me away more from 8.2 than it would keep me retained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    Most of the artifact traits where just "shit passive procs" as well though and some of them are just baseline now. But hey if you don't like it, play something else.
    Your childish outbursts here will not help you.
    Uhm, there were not only 3 major passive traits, some minor passive traits had some major effects attached to them as well. BfA specs are bare bones compared to Legion specs. Pruning gone wrong and Blizzard knows it. Pruning wasn't even the main issue, the main issue they added nothing for character progression in exchange of the pruning.
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  7. #387
    It’s legion 2.0 without the rng. Some people love it, some people hate it, others say the game doesn’t feel exciting anymore.

    I myself enjoyed bfa because i mainly focus on mythic+ and arena gladiator. Both are done very well in BFA, better than legion for me.

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    M+ were OK with lots of annyoing flaws. I liked how my specs played.

    But pretty much everything else sucked.

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    Most of the artifact traits where just "shit passive procs" as well though and some of them are just baseline now. But hey if you don't like it, play something else.
    Your childish outbursts here will not help you.
    I mean everyone should have learned by now that Scarecrowz is some autistic kid who has literally no idea what he's talking about.

    Why even bother trying to have a debate or a semi-intelligent conversation with him? Literally all he does is come here to bitch about WoW with self-contradictory "arguments" (if they can even be called that). Probably a LFR / sub 1500 hero who hasn't achieved anything in the game and never will tbh.

    Regarding OP, I don't think BfA is as bad as the internet meme hate bandwagon tries to make it out to be because it's cool to hate on Blizzard and WoW nowadays after Blizzcon 2018. It's FAR from a good expansion, however. I'd say it's about average - mediocre in the true meaning of the word.

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    I mean everyone should have learned by now that Scarecrowz is some autistic kid who has literally no idea what he's talking about.

    Why even bother trying to have a debate or a semi-intelligent conversation with him? Literally all he does is come here to bitch about WoW with self-contradictory "arguments" (if they can even be called that). Probably a LFR / sub 1500 hero who hasn't achieved anything in the game and never will tbh.

    Regarding OP, I don't think BfA is as bad as the internet meme hate bandwagon tries to make it out to be because it's cool to hate on Blizzard and WoW nowadays after Blizzcon 2018. It's FAR from a good expansion, however. I'd say it's about average - mediocre in the true meaning of the word.
    I guess you're right. I haven't spent as much time on MMO-C the last year or two so I might not get whos trolling and whos not anymore.
    I can agree on that. About average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Haven't been to Mechagon yet as I said. Maybe I should try that because Nazjatar is driving me away more from 8.2 than it would keep me retained.

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    Uhm, there were not only 3 major passive traits, some minor passive traits had some major effects attached to them as well. BfA specs are bare bones compared to Legion specs. Pruning gone wrong and Blizzard knows it. Pruning wasn't even the main issue, the main issue they added nothing for character progression in exchange of the pruning.
    But you litteraly have the same traits as either passives, talents or traits in BfA. The specs might have felt a bit bland at the star but with all the gear and the neck and everything we have no it really is more or less the same specs.
    They also didn't really remove anything but passive stats and extra damage.

    You are free to not like the expansion but don't try to make up pointless crap. It's enough to just say that you simply don't like it.

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    But you litteraly have the same traits as either passives, talents or traits in BfA. The specs might have felt a bit bland at the star but with all the gear and the neck and everything we have no it really is more or less the same specs.
    They also didn't really remove anything but passive stats and extra damage.
    I simply don't like it, yes. It's still not pointless because classes in BfA lost more than than they've got. Least specs got their artifact ability (for free). Many specs had former baseline skills turned into talents (Shadow Priest for example). Legendary effects have in most cases entirely been removed. Azerite armor is at best compensating the passive artifact traits. That's it. And please don't bring up essences. They're identical for all classes and offer not more than a usual CD button.
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  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I simply don't like it, yes. It's still not pointless because classes in BfA lost more than than they've got. Least specs got their artifact ability (for free). Many specs had former baseline skills turned into talents (Shadow Priest for example). Legendary effects have in most cases entirely been removed. Azerite armor is at best compensating the passive artifact traits. That's it. And please don't bring up essences. They're identical for all classes and offer not more than a usual CD button.
    But the only thing that was really lost was the passives and in many cases they were simply baked into the class anyway. You have more major traits now and you even have a few to pick from, you did get the essences and even if they are the same for all classes that doesn't take anything away from your class. Some of them really speed up game play and sure as heck are more exiting that your average CD as well.

    You are, again, free to not like the expansion but in most cases more was added than was taken away.

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    But the only thing that was really lost was the passives and in many cases they were simply baked into the class anyway. You have more major traits now and you even have a few to pick from, you did get the essences and even if they are the same for all classes that doesn't take anything away from your class. Some of them really speed up game play and sure as heck are more exiting that your average CD as well.

    You are, again, free to not like the expansion but in most cases more was added than was taken away.
    Again, that just isn't true at all.

    From Legion to BfA we lost:

    - Artifact skills
    - Artifact traits
    - Legendary effects
    - Set bonuses

    I give you that some classes got their artifact skills as talents but what happened in this case? Right, they entirely removed a former talent (or in least cases baked it into the class) to get it done. The same happened with some major passive artifact traits. They replaced former talents that were entirely removed (or in least cases, again, baked into the class). Then we had the legendary effects that in most cases got removed entirely. Right now not one single legendary comes to my mind that is a talent or something similar now (I'm sure there might be some examples yet I don't know about any). So that wasn't enough in most cases and classes got even pruned further, like with the Shadow Priest where Shadow Word: Death all of a sudden is a talent now. Shadow Priest lost two buttons in BfA that replaced former "real" talents. That's two skills I have less than before.

    Again, Azerite traits might be a mixture of former artifact traits and set bonuses but they're not enough to feel your character develop in any way. They're passive effects that barely matter. Essences are the opposite, they're active effects that barely matter and that's not even individual to classes.

    How can you even think of saying classes in BfA got more than what was removed when class design is the major criticism of this expansion and even Blizzard acknowledged that they messed it up?
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  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Again, that just isn't true at all.

    From Legion to BfA we lost:

    - Artifact skills
    - Artifact traits
    - Legendary effects
    - Set bonuses

    I give you that some classes got their artifact skills as talents but what happened in this case? Right, they entirely removed a former talent (or in least cases baked it into the class) to get it done. The same happened with some major passive artifact traits. They replaced former talents that were entirely removed (or in least cases, again, baked into the class). Then we had the legendary effects that in most cases got removed entirely. Right now not one single legendary comes to my mind that is a talent or something similar now (I'm sure there might be some examples yet I don't know about any). So that wasn't enough in most cases and classes got even pruned further, like with the Shadow Priest where Shadow Word: Death all of a sudden is a talent now. Shadow Priest lost two buttons in BfA that replaced former "real" talents. That's two skills I have less than before.

    Again, Azerite traits might be a mixture of former artifact traits and set bonuses but they're not enough to feel your character develop in any way. They're passive effects that barely matter. Essences are the opposite, they're active effects that barely matter and that's not even individual to classes.

    How can you even think of saying classes in BfA got more than what was removed when class design is the major criticism of this expansion and even Blizzard acknowledged that they messed it up?
    You make zero sense though. You got the same passives, you have the same traits and you also have Essences. Essences are extreme buffs to your output as well so how you can say that they "barely matter" is just silly. Your feelings on the matter does not change the fact that you basicaly have the same spec now compared to Legion in most cases.

    Blizzard also never said that they messed up. Not once, not ever. They reverted som changes such as the GCD-limitations and that was a horrible change to begin with, I can agree on that but seeing how thats gone thats hardly an issue anymore. Class design might not be on point but it was just as bad in Legion and thats my point.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by KingMavros View Post
    The people that like BFA are the ones probably asking to make cata dungeons easier at start of expansion. #facts.
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  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    that's what happens when you hire Christie Golden.
    So this explains WoD and the shallowness of Legion's back half how? Maybe if Alex and Steve would actually her do anything, you might have a point, but that would imply Alliance getting equal consideration.
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  17. #397
    enjoyed? Has been?

    You are aware BfA is still out?

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