Can a LFG addon ruin classic?

[craigw]

LFG is pointless when you cant phase into anther server or do things with someone from another server. ]use chat on the server you are on. cross server grouping isn't a reality in classic.

[Switchd]

Sadly I think it would, but I do enjoy the convenience. Can't really experience classic with it though.

[BeepBoo]

Guys plz
Isnt the point of all this to go back in time? All of us...together?

The problems I have with retail have nothing to do with anything around group content or how it's handled. The reason I signed the petition for classic is because, now that I have an immense understanding of the game, I want to go back and do things I never got to do when they were the current tier (raids). Half the point for me is to bring my min/max mentality and play one of the most OP classes so I can deal with unfinished business.

[kneehidude]

Can you predict the future on this one?

I like to think im a mastermind and have a degree in human nature and reading the future.
But i simply dont know what could go wrong.

All i know is that everytime Blizzard made a major "accessibility" patch in retail...game went to crap.

All this addon does is show me who is looking for a group for certain content. Why is anyone against me and/or others trying to find others to do content?

[Smash Adams]

At the end of the day, you’re still pulling people from your realm. So it’s not harming the community aspect. It’s not porting you directly in to instances. So it’s not hurting the world aspect.

As long as it doesn’t try and create some stupid rating system, I don’t see an issue. The only other thing I would gripe about is if it’s automatically filling the group for you.

[Kyphael]

No, because other people using tools to maybe make their game experience a bit easier doesn't affect me.

[Gyrotex]

Another LFG addon popped up recently and there has been a discussion if it can ruin the integrity of Classic or not.
Sure, so far, this LFG addon creators are doing their best to avoid "degenerate" features.

The answer is "ruin, in whose opinion??"

Because response you'll get will depend on the attitude and entitlement level of who you ask.

If it's Classic purists who think it's not Vanilla if it's assisted by Quality of Life features - standard or not - would rightly point out that yes, it would ruin Classic.

But those who were in kindergarten in 2004 this might be just a little sprinkle on top of that reanimated "pure experience".

I'm just here because I'm bored by the way - zero interest in Classic. Been there, done that, not a masochist to do it again.

[kenn9530]

This addon will be useless, a dungeon group is not made up by completely random people (if you want an easier more efficient run), since they wont have the buffs necesarry to do the run in a best possible way. A dps is not just a dps. A perfect group would be: warrior, rogue, healer (pref. priest, then pally, druid or Shaman) a mage (foods, portals and int buff for healer), and last an extra dps be that a lock (soul stones , and health stones are nice, not to mention summoning) or a marksman hunter (for that sweet AP buff) if none of these are available, then the hybrids can come into play, druid cat, ret pally or maybe a fury warrior (depening if the tank wants one to roll on his drops). See there is just so much more to gathering a group, than just inviting some one random (at lvl 55 plus that is). Off course a premade AOE group can be formed containing 4 warriors and a pally, but I dont think that will be the norm at 60 unless they are geared, before that its more of a leveling group doing dungeons for fastest leveling.

classic content is so trivial it doesnt matter what classes you take to a dungeon, there will be a group finder addon and many will use it, if you dont want to group up with random people join a guild with friends and never have to use chat to find groups anyway. You do also realise that with the addon you can choose what classes you want and what content your looking for.

[Chaelexi]

I think as long as ppl understand that ilvl doesnt make a piece better in classic, itll be alright. Only annoying thing is of it spams chat.

It will still only be server wide so reputation will still matter. It wont teleport you to the dungeon. And as far as talents, you cant inspect them. Is armory showing talents confirmed for classic?

I would just hate one that somehow showed if u had a previous kill on a boss and it was demanded before you can join. Like for mc they only accept u if u killed rag already.

To a point yes, an addon can grab a snap shot of your talents currently, as for the previous kill. That is easy to do link logs of a kill.

[lordjust]

If I'm blizzard I remove the API's from classic that allow them to do these things.

People CRIED AND CRIED for classic, and now they are adding things back that came with the improved game to make it easier.

Nah. Block those API calls.

Blizzard already did that. To inspect another player, you have to be in range of the other player so the game can't pull the ilvl info if you're not standing next to the person. Similarly with specs. We're back to the old talent trees and the old inspection window and Blizzard already said there's no API to pull information how someone specced their character. You still could build an add-on that uses that information but it would have to pull the info from a custom built database like raider.io but because there isn't an armory for classic the add-on would have to regularly upload your data or have players upload their data.

[Ssateneth]

Group finder addon will be a cancer. Part of vanilla is the social aspect. Go out there, make friends, experience things together. If characters are dumbed down to a class, level, and whatever stats in some group finder addon, we get the same thing as retail. Everyone is a stranger and everyone is replaceable. Toxicity and elitism will run rampant, and being helpful and courteous will be the minority.

#nochanges

[Chaelexi]

Group finder addon will be a cancer. Part of vanilla is the social aspect. Go out there, make friends, experience things together. If characters are dumbed down to a class, level, and whatever stats in some group finder addon, we get the same thing as retail. Everyone is a stranger and everyone is replaceable. Toxicity and elitism will run rampant, and being helpful and courteous will be the minority.

#nochanges

There was a group finder addon in Vanilla.....it matches your no changes mantra

[RoKPaNda]

No. It's just a pretty interface for the archaic group finding of classic. It's still on your server, it's not going to hurt the community, it's not going to hurt anything. If something that simple is going to hurt Classic that doesn't say much for Classic.

[Gsara]

If it goes like pservers do, 80% of the player base wont even be using it. The only thing it will be good for is checking prices for tanks and if you have friends that are playing a tank you probably wont need the add on anyways.

Since its not going to automate anything, I dont really care about it being in the game.

[SinR]

Wow.

People think a simple addon will *RUIN* their Classic Experience.

what's the difference between this and "LFM UBRS NEED KEY AND ROGUE WITH IMPROVED SAP" spam every 10 seconds in Trade Chat?

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Oh. Right. "TEH COMMUNITY GUYS!"

[Alkizon]

In fact, approach to solving such issues is very simple:
- Could this be done without automation? If answer is "yes", then it's (automation) not needed. That's all.

I see no reason, in this case, to write talmuds of text, since this will include all, absolutely all of their "newfangled" slag. All forms of phasing/shards/CRZ, almost all scaling of different stripes and varieties (including new party Sync, they added another level of idiocy; yes, I saw what you did there), already "not very new" group search, etc.

What puts similar addon in same category with bots with all ensuing consequences for it. Simple.

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You'll never be able to really appreciate value of the group and have sufficient motivation to make efforts to preserve it, until you don't know and understand what long and painstaking process it is in general (and since such requirements, in the sense of upbringing/motivation, are of constant importance for this game, and therefore their constant presence).

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Rules should be simple and this is exactly one of such ones.

Why is that? Despite the pros and cons? To cut off any unpredictable consequences, good or bad doesn't matter. No need to pretend yourself to be god of analytics. They played as "demiurges" already, and everyone knows in sufficient detail how it all ended, that's enough.

For reference: I voted "yes", but it doesn't really matter and correct answer is only one: "it will be redundant, which means it's not needed".

Any choice, imaginary or real, "right" or "wrong" must be controlled by player itself, all that can be done by automatic system is to say "OK!" and check spreadsheet ("set in stone") what system's rules are for this case, but not to artificially limit player's choice. Modern system is very restrictive for players, every step is trying to swallow all outcomes "undesirable" in its opinion, but doesn't try to "be correct"/work for every random case right/wrong, good/bad, desired/undesirable (it tries to "fix" (=change) and(or) impose "its own" possible full or partial solution (tries to replace player by self), rules become flexible (as they try to please multiple mutually exclusive systems), and result with each iteration is less certain even for devs themselves). Someone will say that this is impossible, in a sense it's, you can only get as close as possible to, while system should be as simple as possible (as literal as possible), and not provoke multiple dependencies that are controlled by automation systems *looking at all forms of scaling, structure of servers/world/content* you get the idea.

[lummiuster]

This addon doesn't take any of that away. It just lists your group for whatever content and lets people join up.

Let's be honest here, you aren't going to know everyone on your server. And you sure as hell aren't going to have "deep meaningful conversations" with people before inviting them to a group. You are going to go to town, or in /1 and say "lfg for x dungeon" and invite the first 4 idiots who whisper that they'll go that can enter the instance and make a decent group (tank, healer, dps).

If someone is a jackass in group they can still be blacklisted. If you have a friend, you can still add them to your group.

This literally does not change anything...

Yes it changes a lot.
1) Because yes the first thing a would do is ask in /1 for people to join my group. It takes a while to fill it up. Some people will message you "hey im a tank but i can only in 20mins" and you end up with someone in your friend list. Thats one thing that LFG would change.
2) Next you go to Orggrimar (takes time) to ask people in /2 and as you might become impatient. Since it takes time to form a group, it makes running dungeons more special and wanted.
3) You might invite the first idiots who whisper you will probably suck. They can make your dungeon awefull. So when you meet good players, you see they are more important and want to remain friends with them so you can group up again in the future. LFG would kill that social aspect since you know you can find lots of people fast through lfg and kick whoever has a bad gear
4) Since people are harder to find, inviting the first availables force you to be less demanding about their class. With LFG people would end up inviting the same classes. It will also make the hybrid runs less likely (having 1 enhance shaman tank or having the feral as off tank or 2 dps as tanks or..)

[Elias01]

At the end of the day, you’re still pulling people from your realm. So it’s not harming the community aspect. It’s not porting you directly in to instances. So it’s not hurting the world aspect.

As long as it doesn’t try and create some stupid rating system, I don’t see an issue. The only other thing I would gripe about is if it’s automatically filling the group for you.

How about issue not being invested in creating your groups = you dont care about that group and people in it. Also addon have automate grouping so you can just lit group, go afk and it will create entire gorup for you. No if you like this or you dont mind having this addon go play retail.

[kneehidude]

Yes it changes a lot.
1) Because yes the first thing a would do is ask in /1 for people to join my group. It takes a while to fill it up. Some people will message you "hey im a tank but i can only in 20mins" and you end up with someone in your friend list. Thats one thing that LFG would change.
2) Next you go to Orggrimar (takes time) to ask people in /2 and as you might become impatient. Since it takes time to form a group, it makes running dungeons more special and wanted.
3) You might invite the first idiots who whisper you will probably suck. They can make your dungeon awefull. So when you meet good players, you see they are more important and want to remain friends with them so you can group up again in the future. LFG would kill that social aspect since you know you can find lots of people fast through lfg and kick whoever has a bad gear
4) Since people are harder to find, inviting the first availables force you to be less demanding about their class. With LFG people would end up inviting the same classes. It will also make the hybrid runs less likely (having 1 enhance shaman tank or having the feral as off tank or 2 dps as tanks or..)

And if someone is bad, you would remember them from later and not invite them? Or remove them if they did happen to get invited? You can also still invite your friends to your groups... like you realize that doesn't go away right?

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How about issue not being invested in creating your groups = you dont care about that group and people in it. Also addon have automate grouping so you can just lit group, go afk and it will create entire gorup for you. No if you like this or you dont mind having this addon go play retail.

Please explain how spamming "LFG/LFM for x dungeon" and inviting people who whisper "I'll go" is "investing in your group."

Literally, you won't be having two hour conversations with people to "get to know them" prior to running to the dungeon. You'll maybe chat with the first few while you wait for the rest to fill, but you can do that with or without the addon.

[Ssateneth]

HURRAY! Blue post confirmed they will be blocking group finder addons!