[Speculation] Bizzare "Leak" reveals screenshot of an upcoming Cinematic

[Varodoc]

Go read every one of your replies before this.





You were the one who kept bringing up that it would somehow always lead them to Drathir's works as a major point. My original post even mentioned that they didn't find his work till AFTER they were exiled so it couldn't have been the cause of their exile.

Also, they never would've found his works if they weren't kicked out in the first place. Literally the only reason they found it was because they were kicked out.

Again, I NEVER said their research of Drathir was the cause of the exile, I said their research OF THE VOID was the reason of their exile, and then that research of the Void would lead them to do a more in-depth research of Drathir's works of the Void. Are you that dense?

[DotEleven]

Again, I NEVER said their research of Drathir was the cause of the exile, I said their research OF THE VOID was the reason of their exile, and then that research of the Void would lead them to do a more in-depth research of Drathir's works of the Void. Are you that dense?

Are you? Because you were the one who kept bringing up Drathir in it while I pointed out that it wasn't until AFTER they got kicked that they found it. You keep putting it like "Well, regardless of what happened they would've stumbled on it anyway so they had to be exiled".

[Varodoc]

Are you? Because you were the one who kept bringing up Drathir in it while I pointed out that it wasn't until AFTER they got kicked that they found it. You keep putting it like "Well, regardless of what happened they would've stumbled on it anyway so they had to be exiled".

No. What I said is that they were exiled for doing research on the Void, and that research would later on lead them to find Drathir's works and do a more in-depth research on those works. Nothing I said is factually wrong and you are just nitpicking for the sake of making the most pointless debate in history.

Them finding his works after they were exiled has nothing to do with my original point nor does it change the reason why they were exiled. If you want to counter my arguments, find something better.

You keep putting it like "Well, regardless of what happened they would've stumbled on it anyway so they had to be exiled".

I never even implied that.

[DotEleven]

No. What I said is that they were exiled for doing research on the Void, and that research would later on lead them to find Drathir's works and do a more in-depth research on those works. Nothing I said is factually wrong and you are just nitpicking for the sake of making the most pointless debate in history.

You said they were exiled for delving into research of the void that would lead them to Drathir's work. This wording means that you have this belief that they would follow Drathir's research no matter what.

Yes, it is factually wrong, because the latter is superfluous. It adds literally nothing to it because them finding Drathir's work had nothing to do with their exile.

There is a difference between "They were kicked out for researching the void" and "they were kicked out for researching the void which would lead them to Drathir's research." I'm the former, you're the latter.

[Varodoc]

You said they were exiled for delving into research of the void that would lead them to Drathir's work. This wording means that you have this belief that they would follow Drathir's research no matter what.

Yes, it is factually wrong, because the latter is superfluous. It adds literally nothing to it because them finding Drathir's work had nothing to do with their exile.

No. I said they were exiled for doing research on the Void, which would lead them to Drathir's work. The "which" obviously being referred both to the exile, because after leaving Silvermoon they would stumble upon Drathir's work, and the research itself, since it is their research in general that kept them going until they found Drathir's work by chance. Everything I said is factually correct, and you are just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. If you want to nitpick something, at least make sure you nitpicked something wrong.

Also, something is either superfluous or factually wrong. It can't be both. I'm done wasting my time responding to the most bizarre and useless counter-argument in history.

I also find it hilarious how you agreed that they were exiled for doing research into the Void, which is my entire fucking point. So you didn't even understand your own main argument. That's sad.

[DotEleven]

No. I said they were exiled for doing research on the Void, which would lead them to Drathir's work. The "which" obviously being referred both to the exile, because after leaving Silvermoon they would stumble upon Drathir's work, and the research itself, since it is their research in general that kept them going until they found Drathir's work by chance. Everything I said is factually correct, and you are just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. If you want to nitpick something, at least make sure you nitpicked something wrong.

Also, something is either superfluous or factually wrong. It can't be both. I'm done wasting my time responding to the most bizarre and useless counter-argument in history.

The ending statement is superfluous because it's unnecessary. It's also factually wrong because your wording makes it sound like the reason they were exiled is that their research on the void would automatically lead them to Drathir's studies.

Congratulations, you're now both wrong on the lore and wrong that something can't both be incorrect and superfluous.

I also find it hilarious how you agreed that they were exiled for doing research into the Void, which is my entire fucking point. So you didn't even understand your own main argument. That's sad.

I do understand my main argument.

It honestly seems a bit awkward there because it leaves 2 possibilities. 1) They were aware of the voids effect on the Sunwell at which point why allow Alleria to come near it? or 2) They were unaware of the voids effect on the Sunwell so why were all the other void-practicing Blood Elfs exiled?

This was my original post you replied to. You brought up

They exiled Umbric and his people because he was conducting research on Dar'khar Drathir's works, even though they themselves (the blood elves) were using nefarious powers to achieve their goals.

So, once again you were the one who brought up Drathir for our conversation. And you wrote it in a way that the reasoning they were exiled was because their research would lead them to Drathir's studies, even AFTER your edit. So, it appears the one who doesn't understand their argument would be you.

[Aucald]

This thread isn't really about the Blood Elves, the Void Elves, or Dar'Khan Drathir - let's return to the actual topic at hand: discussion of the proposed "leak" and what it may or may not portend for WoW.

[Varodoc]

What is left there to discuss, really. Pretty much everything has already been said in the previous 40 pages. There is a 99% chance that the leak is fake, since everything hints at the ending of BfA having something to do with the Void/N'Zoth, and not the Shadowlands. There's just that tiny 1% chance that Blizzard changed their mind at the last moment and decided to shift the endgame from N'Zoth to the Shadowlands, but that is very unlikely. Whoever made that leak must have missed that Ion's statement about the Azshara cinematic, because that debunks his entire theory.

[Wangming]

What is left there to discuss, really. Pretty much everything has already been said in the previous 40 pages. There is a 99% chance that the leak is fake, since everything hints at the ending of BfA having something to do with the Void/N'Zoth, and not the Shadowlands. There's just that tiny 1% chance that Blizzard changed their mind at the last moment and decided to shift the endgame from N'Zoth to the Shadowlands, but that is very unlikely. Whoever made that leak must have missed that Ion's statement about the Azshara cinematic, because that debunks his entire theory.

While I don't believe THIS leak, death really has a strong presence in BfA. Bwomsamdi, his boss, whatever is up with Helya, Sylvanas, whoever messed with Vol'Jin to appoint Sylvanas, Bolvar.

[Aucald]

While I don't believe THIS leak, death really has a strong presence in BfA. Bwomsamdi, his boss, whatever is up with Helya, Sylvanas, whoever messed with Vol'Jin to appoint Sylvanas, Bolvar.

One way or the other, I do think this nebulous force or entity falling under the label of "Death" is probably going to make an appearance soon. Whether it ties in with the Void/Light conflict I have no clue, but some form of confrontation between us and "Death" seems close at hand based on everything going down in the C-plot of BfA.

[Varodoc]

While I don't believe THIS leak, death really has a strong presence in BfA. Bwomsamdi, his boss, whatever is up with Helya, Sylvanas, whoever messed with Vol'Jin to appoint Sylvanas, Bolvar.

I'm not denying that. There is a 50% chance that the next expansion is Shadowlands.

But patch 8.3? Not a chance. Whatever hints the Shadowlands storyline might have, it just has hints. Not actual events that are moving the plot forward, like an old god freeing himself from his shackles for the first time. N'Zoth is the logical step after Azshara. Shifting the storyline to the Shadowlands lacks consistency.

One way or the other, I do think this nebulous force or entity falling under the label of "Death" is probably going to make an appearance soon. Whether it ties in with the Void/Light conflict I have no clue, but some form of confrontation between us and "Death" seems close at hand based on everything going down in the C-plot of BfA.

Key word. C-plot. Sure, it can play a role in patch 8.3. But expecting the final raid and cinematic to be about that, is like thinking that the final raid of Legion would be about the naga/old gods (you know, the "C plot" of Legion).

[Clone]

Not gonna make a judgement on how legit this is. It looks pretty ridiculous, but so did WoD.

[DotEleven]

Not gonna make a judgement on how legit this is. It looks pretty ridiculous, but so did WoD.

Yeah, but WoD didn't start with MoP's last raid just dropping us off on Draenor going "to be continued" waiting for the pre-patch.

[Aucald]

Key word. C-plot. Sure, it can play a role in patch 8.3. But expecting the final raid and cinematic to be about that, is like thinking that the final raid of Legion would be about the naga/old gods (you know, the "C plot" of Legion).

Personally I doubt it will play a role in 8.3 - pretty sure that's going to be a N'Zoth or Old God-centric raid if it doesn't prove to the Battle for Thunder Bluff or some such. I am thinking something more along the lines of the actual next expansion, moving from being a C-plot to a B-plot or possibly even an A-plot depending on how things shake out with the finale of BfA.

[Wangming]

One way or the other, I do think this nebulous force or entity falling under the label of "Death" is probably going to make an appearance soon. Whether it ties in with the Void/Light conflict I have no clue, but some form of confrontation between us and "Death" seems close at hand based on everything going down in the C-plot of BfA.

If we assume that Death is just one entity and not several. Unless Death is playing a huge con. Bwomsamdi has a mystery boss. He claims he did not order Vol'Jin to elect Sylvanas. When Vol'Jin's soul disappeared somehow, it was claimed by Bwomsamdi that the mystery boss wouldn't like that. And none of these is Bolvar or Helya.

[Frood]

Whoever made that leak must have missed that Ion's statement about the Azshara cinematic, because that debunks his entire theory.

They didn’t miss it :^)

>The last boss of BfA was indeed shown in the Azshara defeat cinematic, but it's more metaphorical than people realize. The last boss is us: Alliance & Horde, as indicated by the last shot of Jaina and Lor'themar. Azshara and N'Zoth are both bosses in the next expansion. We won't be facing them again (at least physically) in BfA.

[Aucald]

If we assume that Death is just one entity and not several. Unless Death is playing a huge con. Bwomsamdi has a mystery boss. He claims he did not order Vol'Jin to elect Sylvanas. When Vol'Jin's soul disappeared somehow, it was claimed by Bwomsamdi that the mystery boss wouldn't like that. And none of these is Bolvar or Helya.

My current thinking is that the being responsible for Vol'jin's plight and the being who serves as Bwonsamdi's superior aren't the same being and that multiple active parties are at play in this scenario. Whether this proves to be Mueh'zala, or whatever being wears that sobriquet among the Trolls, is unknown. Neither Bolvar nor Helya, though, I agree.

[Varodoc]

They didn’t miss it :^)

They missed Ion saying "After the cinematic it will be clear who the final boss is". If something is metaphorical then it's not clear.

[Al Gorefiend]

This is so bad. I can't even properly describe how bad. There's no word for something so shitty.

Thought the same thing about void elves

[Frood]

They missed Ion saying "After the cinematic it will be clear who the final boss is". If something is metaphorical then it's not clear.

Except it’s not clear. There was literally a public outcry because of this on the forums. People expected a clear, definite answer, and they weren’t given one. N’Zoth is free, but Aszhara is also still alive. It’s obviously not the Horde or Alliance, but it’s still very ambiguous.