[Speculation] Bizzare "Leak" reveals screenshot of an upcoming Cinematic

[Lumineus]

Having an inferior fleet at the start of BfA didn't stop the Alliance from invading Lordaeron by sea.

That's because the Alliance fleet wasn't inferior? I mean, it's hard to believe the Horde could have had a better fleet after Genn rekt the Forsaken in Stormheim. They went recruiting first, remember?

[Soon-TM]

rommath probably could sense something off about her.

the guy is probably one of the greatest living mages.

Yep. Too bad that we don't get to see anything from him in-game. As a matter of fact, it's as if the Horde had no real spellcasters of its own... Where are Rommath or Thalyssra? Hell, even !@$%ing Talanji looks more adept at magic than two of the greatest living mages.

[Wyrt]

Yep. Too bad that we don't get to see anything from him in-game. As a matter of fact, it's as if the Horde had no real spellcasters of its own... Where are Rommath or Thalyssra? Hell, even !@$%ing Talanji looks more adept at magic than two of the greatest living mages.

Because human mages dominate all mage related story. There's no prominent night elf/highborne or draenei mages either despite both races having thousands(or tens of thousands) of years more experience.

It's really stupid.

[sam86]

Orcs has superior knowledge of war, regardless of Night Elves and Draenei waging war since literally before Orcs even existed.

well if blizz make humans lead the alliance when u have 10k years old ppl and a literal immortal race, tell me u actually think nelf & draenei have better experience than orcs
because blizz surely doesn't think so, nelf exist to be highschool cheerleaders for the 'amazing' 70 years old humans (a teenage nelf start at age of 230, humans literally die before they even pass childhood time in nelf eyes...), and draenei exist to crash ships and goat jokes
Seriously u think blizz view any race beside humans are good at anything ? it is a miracle they gave gnome technology advance, but they probably did that so inventions can backfire and make even bigger joke of them
Any race in wow exist to show how inferior they are to the amazing humans, that is a fact from how blizz treat alliance since wrath era at least

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Because human mages dominate all mage related story. There's no prominent night elf/highborne or draenei mages either despite both races having thousands(or tens of thousands) of years more experience.

It's really stupid.

Draenei has both nature efficiency and literal f8cking immortal life to practice magic, but they only exist to show that even if u are literally a f8cking immortal with at least 25k years old of experience, a micro second life old human will be better than u
"your race is naturally tuned to use arcane magic ? ah we added that in lore just to show how our projected selves in-game - i mean 'humans' are still far superior than anything anyone ever did, do, or will ever do"

[Wyrt]

Draenei has both nature efficiency and literal f8cking immortal life to practice magic, but they only exist to show that even if u are literally a f8cking immortal with at least 25k years old of experience, a micro second life old human will be better than u
"your race is naturally tuned to use arcane magic ? ah we added that in lore just to show how our projected selves in-game - i mean 'humans' are still far superior than anything anyone ever did, do, or will ever do"

"Eredar are so powerful in arcane magic it got the attention of Sargeras himself" -Blizzard
"Elves are also so powerful in arcane magic it got the attention of Sargeras himself"-Blizzard
"lol races other than human can be mages?" - also Blizzard

[Mehrunes]

Where does the Alliance having an inferior fleet come from in the first place? AFAIR, they already had the superior fleet, just not so much better that they would definitely beat the Horde in an engagement. The main purpose of going to KT was keeping it that way.

When Saurfang and Sylvanas are exploring the topic of war with the Alliance they talked about how the Horde navy could potentially defeat the Alliance one even at Stormwind docks (it's just it would lead to nothing because they wouldn't be able to transport an army large enough for a successful siege with it). And doing so at Stormwind docks means Alliance having additional support from shoreline defenses, ranged units and casters. And if the Horde navy could potentially win even under those circumstances it paints a rather clear picture the Alliance navy was inferior at the same time.

Which means two things in regards to Lordaeron. One, if the superior Horde navy still wasn't large enough to be able to transport a siege army, then the slightly inferior Alliance one shouldn't have been able to either (especially since Lordaeron would be harder to siege than Stormwind). Two, the Alliance fleet shouldn't even be able to make a successful landing, not only because Horde's navy was a bit stronger at the time in general, but also because Tirisfal is Horde territory and in there it would have been the Horde that would get support from the shore.

Of course that whole balance went in wildly different places after the addition of Zandalari and Kul Tiran forces to their respective factions and the events of the war campaign, but as things stood prior to that the very presence of Alliance forces in Lordaeron was inane, let alone their capacity to successfully besiege the city (especially since the Horde idiotically let the Alliance construct their intricate siege towers when they had Blight and the Alliance had nothing to protect themselves from it).

That's because the Alliance fleet wasn't inferior? I mean, it's hard to believe the Horde could have had a better fleet after Genn rekt the Forsaken in Stormheim. They went recruiting first, remember?

Read A Good War. And Forsaken get their ships from the bottom of the sea anyway. Sinking their vessels is only a temporary setback. On top of that, as also mentioned in A Good War, both factions lost significant parts of their navy to the Legion. It's not like Stormheim was the only event of the previous expansion. And the Horde went recruiting only after Lordaeron.

[derpkitteh]

Yep. Too bad that we don't get to see anything from him in-game. As a matter of fact, it's as if the Horde had no real spellcasters of its own... Where are Rommath or Thalyssra? Hell, even !@$%ing Talanji looks more adept at magic than two of the greatest living mages.

at least talanji's stuff is voodoo(whatever that is, seems to be spirit and void energy).

the human problem is bad though, yeah. thalyssra does seem to be played as being comparable to jaina in power in nazjatar at least, they perform the same actions basically. that right there would be a grand start, if they set that record straight.

[Mehrunes]

The Horde has superior everything. Just look at any topic on here.

Horde has superior ground troops, regardless of anything else.

Obviously Horde wins most skirmishes by sheer happenstance.

Horde has superior navies, regardless of Kul Tiras.

Never mind that the context of what being discussed was the faction balance prior to the siege of Lordaeron. You know, before Kul Tiras rejoined the Alliance. Then again who has ever accused you of following context. Or even making actual arguments rather than just spreading salt for that matter. Also, Kul Tiras was meant to be Alliance's counterbalance to Horde reaching out to the Zandalari, but obviously even following Alliance quests is too hard.

Horde has superior technology, because Goblins.

Horde has superior magic users, because blood elves and nightborne.

Both are arguably correct, so what's your point here?

Horde has superior druids, because Tauren(?)

Literally who has ever said that? Oh, right, absolutely no one. But you can't make an argument without resorting to sad, sad fallacies.

Orcs has superior knowledge of war, regardless of Night Elves and Draenei waging war since literally before Orcs even existed.

When Night Elves' leader has to be schooled on the basics of warfare by a human twerp that was fighting his first war in his life are you really sure about their "knowledge of war"?

[derpkitteh]

Draenei has both nature efficiency and literal f8cking immortal life to practice magic, but they only exist to show that even if u are literally a f8cking immortal with at least 25k years old of experience, a micro second life old human will be better than u
"your race is naturally tuned to use arcane magic ? ah we added that in lore just to show how our projected selves in-game - i mean 'humans' are still far superior than anything anyone ever did, do, or will ever do"

"Eredar are so powerful in arcane magic it got the attention of Sargeras himself" -Blizzard
"Elves are also so powerful in arcane magic it got the attention of Sargeras himself"-Blizzard
"lol races other than human can be mages?" - also Blizzard

see, that's what fantasy writers never consider when they make these immortal races, with members that regularly live thousands upon thousands of years of that immortality.

with something like a paladin or priest, at least they get their power through faith alone and don't really seem to have infinite potential based on age. but the arcane? fel? this shit is studied, practiced, and mastered over years... a 25k+ year old draenei mage should be stronger than every living mortal that has ever practiced magic on azeroth. shit, we even got a story where an eredar warlock weaves a small spell and leaves, and it ravages the entire surface of a world into ruin.

people write these guys and don't consider the implications of that age, what it can and will do.

[Mehrunes]

Yep. Too bad that we don't get to see anything from him in-game. As a matter of fact, it's as if the Horde had no real spellcasters of its own... Where are Rommath or Thalyssra? Hell, even !@$%ing Talanji looks more adept at magic than two of the greatest living mages.

Acknowledging Rommath would require them to answer the question of why the hell did he not repair the second half of Silvermoon already. And they simply don't want to touch that zone.

Because human mages dominate all mage related story. There's no prominent night elf/highborne or draenei mages either despite both races having thousands(or tens of thousands) of years more experience.

It's really stupid.

Well, other than Rommath there's always Aethas. But that depends on how you define prominent. Prominent in stories about kissing human potential's ass? Yes. Prominent in regards to actual magic? Not so much.

[PaladinBash]

It's incredibly and very obviously fake, just like the others. First you throw in things everyone knows already- Shadowlands and Dragon Isles. Nobody's gonna be shocked by that. Then you give some fanservicey things like Bolvar coming back to defend Stormwind and Tyrande killing Nathanos, add a little bit of thoughtful speculation like the store mounts tie-in and that Sylvanas is gonna attack SW while we are at TB plus a dash of fucking Tumblr-tier fluff like 'lol Anduin is Void corrupted but we saaaaave himmmmm'. That's some rich shit I'll tell you what. ALL fakes have a combination of these things, every single one. You gotta mix in very obvious things, some reasonable speculations, some awful shit that people want and some that people don't. Wrap it up with some bullshit writing that is, sadly, very Blizzard-like to just do exactly what the Lich King did (kill everyone and raise them as champions to fight a greater/different evil) and call it a day.

Again, definitely going to be Shadowlands/Dragon Isles. Probably going to be an attack on SW/TB. Almost certainly going to be some Sylvanas dindu nuffin bullshit. None of that makes any of this farce real.

[Wyrt]

Well, other than Rommath there's always Aethas. But that depends on how you define prominent. Prominent in stories about kissing human potential's ass? Yes. Prominent in regards to actual magic? Not so much.

Aethas pretty much exists solely to show human mages being vastly superior to a blood elf "archmage."

[Mehrunes]

Aethas pretty much exists solely to show human mages being vastly superior to a blood elf "archmage."

More like to show Stockholm Syndrome in Blood Elven form because Blizzard can't go five minutes without writing about someone fangirling over humans. He didn't really engage with humans in competitive terms.

[Wyrt]

More like to show Stockholm Syndrome in Blood Elven form because Blizzard can't go five minutes without writing about someone fangirling over humans. He didn't really engage with humans in competitive terms.

He got stomped on by Jaina in MoP. But he probably liked it so he may have just let her do it.

[Syegfryed]

Remember Argus was a joint Alliance/Horde fight. So whoever saw that knew.

only you, the player saw that. agin, he don't know the extension of her power

and you STILL think Lor'themar is talking about her being a part of the Alliance

im not "still thinking" im said maybe its a possibility.


you are nitpicking something we already explained before, its bad writing, inconsistency problems with the whole story, they don't show and explain what things happened, they don't show how and why the void elves got banned, they just said it was for a reason and end

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Orcs has superior knowledge of war, regardless of Night Elves and Draenei waging war since literally before Orcs even existed.

can you please list the vast war night elves and draeneis waged in their lifetime? lmao my sides, night elves without the well are nothing and in 10k years barely fought a war on their own, same with draeneis using just magic and technology that they don't have anymore, what war did they fought? you mean they spend 10k years fleeing.

You are going in every post complaining about horde fanboys LUL

[DotEleven]

only you, the player saw that. agin, he don't know the extension of her power


im not "still thinking" im said maybe its a possibility.


you are nitpicking something we already explained before, its bad writing, inconsistency problems with the whole story, they don't show and explain what things happened, they don't show how and why the void elves got banned, they just said it was for a reason and end

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can you please list the vast war night elves and draeneis waged in their lifetime? lmao my sides, night elves without the well are nothing and in 10k years barely fought a war on their own, same with draeneis using just magic and technology that they don't have anymore, what war did they fought? you mean they spend 10k years fleeing.

You are going in every post complaining about horde fanboys LUL

We do know how and why the void elves got banned. Rommath kicked them out for researching the void. They did their research and experiments in Silvermoon but that's far away from the Sunwell. And then these people were considered a threat and removed while the chick literally immersed in the void wasn't.

Btw, you want to talk nitpicking while you literally removed the part about Vereesa and Sylvanas already knowing she's a void elf. You really think Sylvanas wouldn't let the other leaders know.

[Syegfryed]

We do know how and why the void elves got banned. Rommath kicked them out for researching the void. They did their research and experiments in Silvermoon but that's far away from the Sunwell.

far but close enough to be dangerous

Btw, you want to talk nitpicking while you literally removed the part about Vereesa and Sylvanas already knowing she's a void elf. You really think Sylvanas wouldn't let the other leaders know.

i never said they didn't knew, i said lorthemar didn't know the extend of her powers and could not know that her mere presence could cause that, and that is true.

[DotEleven]

far but close enough to be dangerous



i never said they didn't knew, i said lorthemar didn't know the extend of her powers and could not know that her mere presence could cause that, and that is true.

They kicked out people merely for experiments that were in no way near the Sunwell. And you're saying that's dangerous but the person who is aware of her being a void elf and having void elf powers (bullshit they "don't know the extent" if they didn't, they wouldn't know she's a void elf cause she doesn't look any different except when void shifted)

The only thing is not knowing that her presence would cause that. And yet people were banished just for experimenting away from it. That's a threat, but somehow she isn't? that's just asinine. And you're trying to defend it. You call it "bad writing" and then defend it.

PS. "Never said they didn't know" my ass

WE know alleria is "literally immersed" in void, Lorthemar don't know, they only know briefly what happened in argus, they cannot possible have meta lore knowledge to know what she is capable off compared just by being near it compared to people actively doing things.

[ohwell]

When was the last time you played? Because that's not been true for a while now. And it's never been true for expansion transitions.

Clearly you haven't because EVERYTHING I said is still true and has been true. Hell Vanilla and BC assumed less that you raided.

[Syegfryed]

They kicked out people merely for experiments that were in no way near the Sunwell.

if it was not dangerous they would not banish then, is that rly that difficult to grasp? you are saying like they are in a room just reading books.

The only thing is not knowing that her presence would cause that. And yet people were banished just for experimenting away from it. That's a threat, but somehow she isn't? that's just asinine. And you're trying to defend it. You call it "bad writing" and then defend it.

im not defending, i literally saying their are doing a bad job explaining the scenario, you are the one mixing up things trying to put the 2 instances as the same, the 2 are clearly different.

PS. "Never said they didn't know" my ass

in the quote i literally said Lorthemar don't know, and they ,i was talking about him and rommanth because is what i was talking about, you brought up veressa and sylvans when they are not part of the equation.

say Lorthemar was dumb to not know what would happen, whatever but there is no contradiction, just crap writing.