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[ohwell]

When was the last time you played? Because that's not been true for a while now. And it's never been true for expansion transitions.

Clearly you haven't because EVERYTHING I said is still true and has been true. Hell Vanilla and BC assumed less that you raided.

[Syegfryed]

They kicked out people merely for experiments that were in no way near the Sunwell.

if it was not dangerous they would not banish then, is that rly that difficult to grasp? you are saying like they are in a room just reading books.

The only thing is not knowing that her presence would cause that. And yet people were banished just for experimenting away from it. That's a threat, but somehow she isn't? that's just asinine. And you're trying to defend it. You call it "bad writing" and then defend it.

im not defending, i literally saying their are doing a bad job explaining the scenario, you are the one mixing up things trying to put the 2 instances as the same, the 2 are clearly different.

PS. "Never said they didn't know" my ass

in the quote i literally said Lorthemar don't know, and they ,i was talking about him and rommanth because is what i was talking about, you brought up veressa and sylvans when they are not part of the equation.

say Lorthemar was dumb to not know what would happen, whatever but there is no contradiction, just crap writing.

[DotEleven]

if it was not dangerous they would not banish then, is that rly that difficult to grasp? you are saying like they are in a room just reading books.



im not defending, i literally saying their are doing a bad job explaining the scenario, you are the one mixing up things trying to put the 2 instances as the same, the 2 are clearly different.



in the quote i literally said Lorthemar don't know, and they ,i was talking about him and rommanth because is what i was talking about, you brought up veressa and sylvans when they are not part of the equation.

say Lorthemar was dumb to not know what would happen, whatever but there is no contradiction, just crap writing.

If it was dangerous to just experiment far away from the Sunwell why would they let her, someone they KNOW is immersed in the void, near it. Why would Rommath be against it if they didn't know she was?

I'm mixing up nothing. You have people that haven't done any more than some research and a few small experiments with the void and it's considered a danger to the Sunwell so they get kicked. But then Alleria shows up that they KNOW is immersed in the void, because everyone fucking knows, Vereesa and Sylvanas know and you really expect Lor'themar not to? They literally refer to it. "Whatever she has become". Like, apparently you can't put 2 and 2 together when I'm showing it to you step by step.

i never said they didn't knew, i said lorthemar didn't know the extend of her powers

yeah yeah, keep backpeddling.

Also, yes you are defending it. You're going "it's crap writing, but here's what makes it make sense even though it's complete BS and I'm wrong"

[Syegfryed]

If it was dangerous to just experiment far away from the Sunwell why would they let her, someone they KNOW is immersed in the void, near it. Why would Rommath be against it if they didn't know she was?

I'm mixing up nothing. You have people that haven't done any more than some research and a few small experiments with the void and it's considered a danger to the Sunwell so they get kicked. But then Alleria shows up that they KNOW is immersed in the void, because everyone fucking knows, Vereesa and Sylvanas know and you really expect Lor'themar not to? They literally refer to it. "Whatever she has become". Like, apparently you can't put 2 and 2 together when I'm showing it to you step by step.



yeah yeah, keep backpeddling.

Also, yes you are defending it. You're going "it's crap writing, but here's what makes it make sense even though it's complete BS and I'm wrong"

you are just going full circle in the same arguments all over again.

Lorthemar though she just passing by was fine, because she was not using her void powers, simple as that.

[derpkitteh]

can you please list the vast war night elves and draeneis waged in their lifetime? lmao my sides, night elves without the well are nothing and in 10k years barely fought a war on their own, same with draeneis using just magic and technology that they don't have anymore, what war did they fought? you mean they spend 10k years fleeing.

You are going in every post complaining about horde fanboys LUL

night elves dominated trolls for years, then the war of the ancients was mostly fought by night elves, and even night elven tacticians(jarod shadowsong) guiding the efforts of many of the ancients that took part. many of those night elves are still alive today, so it's not like they lost all of those experiences.

we don't know enough about argus pre-legion, but the planet seemed to have been entirely under eredar control, that accounts for something i guess. they also had the original version of the "antoran high command", which oversaw the defense of the entire planet, and the police forces. we do see from both main draenor and alt-draenor that their tactics were less than intelligent. at least, velen's passivity(he has become a bit more hardened after his experiences on argus) and akama's arrogance were the main driver in those failures.

though imo, age doesn't really account for military experience and skill. civilizations that live in constant warfare would, or at least should, be more generally experienced than even ancient generals. orcs lived in conflict, but i wouldn't say that makes them the best tactical warfare fighters, the legion is responsible for their warfare capabilities. tribal scuffles aren't exactly full scale war.

humans have been under more conflict than most people through the centuries, due to many hostile neighbors. their battles were actual full scale war on nearly every single occasion of conflict.

[DotEleven]

you are just going full circle in the same arguments all over again.

Lorthemar though she just passing by was fine, because she was not using her void powers, simple as that.

Because you haven't brought anything. Here's evidence that they knew from here, here, and here.

You: "NO NO NO THEY DIDN'T KNOW!"

Once, again if all it took was "not using your void powers" that the other elves didn't even have, why would they need to be banished?

[Zaganite]

you are just going full circle in the same arguments all over again.

Lorthemar though she just passing by was fine, because she was not using her void powers, simple as that.

Yeah Im going to agree with @DotEleven on this. The Void elves were kicked out before they were even void elves because researching the void was a big no no. It makes no sense to allow Alleria to go near the Sunwell when everyone knew what she became! Here is the passage from the Nightborne Allied Race quest

Alleria Windrunner: It has been a thousand years since I set eyes upon the Sunwell. May I visit it once again?
Grand Magister Rommath: I advise against it. We cannot trust that she will not--
Lor'themar Theron: Whatever she has become, Alleria is a daughter of Quel'Thalas. I will not deny her pilgrimage to our most sacred site.

Lor'themar then literally back tracks on his own words when the Sunwell reacts to her

Lor'themar Theron: This is why I demanded that Umbric and his radicals be exiled. Anyone who treats with the Void is a danger to the Sunwell!

[DotEleven]

Yeah Im going to agree with @DotEleven on this. The Void elves were kicked out before they were even void elves because researching the void was a big no no. It makes no sense to allow Alleria to go near the Sunwell when everyone knew what she became! Here is the passage from the Nightborne Allied Race quest

Alleria Windrunner: It has been a thousand years since I set eyes upon the Sunwell. May I visit it once again?
Grand Magister Rommath: I advise against it. We cannot trust that she will not--
Lor'themar Theron: Whatever she has become, Alleria is a daughter of Quel'Thalas. I will not deny her pilgrimage to our most sacred site.

Lor'themar then literally back tracks on his own words when the Sunwell reacts to her

Lor'themar Theron: This is why I demanded that Umbric and his radicals be exiled. Anyone who treats with the Void is a danger to the Sunwell!

Exactly, but somehow in his mind "Whatever she has become" means "an Alliance lapdog" despite the fact that Alleria has always been alliance.

With quote before he tries to backpeddle that too

no, he prob had a idea, he didn't knew would happen, but though something would happen.



He was prob talking about her becoming an alliance lapdog, even if not, they don't know the extends of her transformation , they could not possible know that just her walking by was dangerous enough, Rommanth imagined something but had nothing.

Simple as that, they don't have meta knowledge.

[Verdugo]

We do know how and why the void elves got banned. Rommath kicked them out for researching the void. They did their research and experiments in Silvermoon but that's far away from the Sunwell. And then these people were considered a threat and removed while the chick literally immersed in the void wasn't.

Btw, you want to talk nitpicking while you literally removed the part about Vereesa and Sylvanas already knowing she's a void elf. You really think Sylvanas wouldn't let the other leaders know.

Congratulations, you figured out why Void Elves are not only stupid concept, they also cause plot holes everywhere they go.

[Syegfryed]

Yeah Im going to agree with @DotEleven on this. The Void elves were kicked out before they were even void elves because researching the void was a big no no. It makes no sense to allow Alleria to go near the Sunwell when everyone knew what she became! Here is the passage from the Nightborne Allied Race quest

they knew what she became, they didn't knew the extend of her power, they though she just passing by was not a problem if she didn't use none of her void powers

Maybe this concept is rly hard for the other guy to grasp, but i can't do nothing.

[DotEleven]

they knew what she became, they don't knew the extend of her power, they though she just passing by was not a problem if she didn't use none of her void powers

Maybe this concept is rly hard for the other guy to grasp, i can't do nothing.

You're the one not grasping the concept. Just fucking researching the void was enough to go "Nope, too much of a threat." They literally know she's been immersed in the void and went "She's totally fine"

Apparently you think researching a threat is more threatening than being part of the threat. You're trying to act like you made perfectly logical sense when it's completely bonkers.

Like, let's see if we can put it this way. I tell them I've been experimenting with Uranium and they're like "Woah, no, you gotta go. That shit's a danger to our power source."

Then I'm like "Well, I've got this friend who's literally dipped in uranium." and they're like "Yeah, that's totally fine, let your friend come."

[Syegfryed]

You're the one not grasping the concept. Just fucking researching the void was enough to go "Nope, too much of a threat." They literally know she's been immersed in the void and went "She's totally fine"

Again, you are taking the fact of "researching" as something minor, if their research lead to their banishment, obviously they were not just in a room reading a book, and they were previously warned to stop, they didn't stop and got banned.

Apparently you think researching a threat is more threatening than being part of the threat.

She was not using void magic, Lorthemar though it would be fine, you want then to have meta knowledge of the subject

Like, let's see if we can put it this way. I tell them I've been experimenting with Uranium and they're like "Woah, no, you gotta go. That shit's a danger to our power source."

Then I'm like "Well, I've got this friend who's literally dipped in uranium." and they're like "Yeah, that's totally fine, let your friend come."

if you are not throwing uranium from your hands maybe is fine, and it was what Lorthemar imagined, if she is not using void magic around it would be ok if she passed by for a brief moment

because she indeed did nothing, but her presence alone was enough to call the void creatures, and they didn't knew that would happen.

[DotEleven]

Again, you are taking the fact of "researching" as something minor, if their researchled to their banishment, obviously they were not just in a room reading a book, and they were previously warned to stop, they didn't stop and got banned.


She was not using void magic, they though it would be fine, you want then to have meta knowldge of the subject



if you are not throwing uranium from your hands maybe is fine, and it was what Lorthemar imagined, if he is not using void magic around it would be ok

That was it. Just like someone would research arcane studies or the like.

Great, she's not using void magic. NEITHER ARE THEY. You act like just their presence around the Sunwell just for researching it is good enough reason to be banished but literally being immersed in the void is completely fine.

I'm not asking for them to have meta knowledge. It's the knowledge they have. They know she's been immersed in the void. They know she's a void elf (although the term itself hadn't been used yet).

What makes you think that these scholars who were studying the void were like trying to fucking experiment using the Sunwell or something. They're in Silvermoon, you think they're just like "You know what, today would be a good day to bring the void research over to our most sacred site".

You're literally blind because I don't think I can explain it much easier to you, but it just won't get through your "Nope, they didn't know despite having all this evidence that they totally did"

[Syegfryed]

That was it. Just like someone would research arcane studies or the like.

Great, she's not using void magic. NEITHER ARE THEY.

got any proof of that?? proof of they saying they were just in a room reading books and doing literally nothing with the void?

something big enough to get banned, something who was not equal to Alleria mere presence, something way worse.

you don't get to see why because once again, poor writing.

i don't, thats why im saying they did something big enough to be banned, they would not be banned just by reading about it.

You're literally blind

sure sure

[Soon-TM]

Congratulations, you figured out why Void Elves are not only stupid concept, they also cause plot holes everywhere they go.

I'd rather call them void holes lmao

[Dhomeli]

And yet that's how it always has been.

If you never raided,
The Sunwell would still be gone.
The Lich King (Arthas) is still active.
Dragon Aspects remain powerfull.
Garrosh was not outed as Warchief.
Warlords of Draenor never happened because of above.
Gul'dan and the Legion never happened either.

Important lore has always concluded in the final raid. The people not raiding are supposed to watch the event online to understand the story leading into the next expansion.

The gigantic sword didn't make sense for non-raiders either. But it happened.

Yep, plus look at the start of BFA - you visit Magni and he shows you what happened in Antorus in case you didn't do the raid.

[exjay]

I can believe this screenshot. that view looks very similar to the cinematic with all the alliance soldiers injured on the dock. but instead of audin it be slyvannas looking down.

[sam86]

people write these guys and don't consider the implications of that age, what it can and will do.

they do, and they do that on purpose to show their in-game representation inflated ego even better
by now it is becoming obvious that at least few blizz employees see themselves in-game, the most easy famous example in Nathanos who is strangely undead yet because he is a representation of an employee he fights both Tyrande and Malfurion and get away (even win something)

[huth]

When Saurfang and Sylvanas are exploring the topic of war with the Alliance they talked about how the Horde navy could potentially defeat the Alliance one even at Stormwind docks (it's just it would lead to nothing because they wouldn't be able to transport an army large enough for a successful siege with it). And doing so at Stormwind docks means Alliance having additional support from shoreline defenses, ranged units and casters. And if the Horde navy could potentially win even under those circumstances it paints a rather clear picture the Alliance navy was inferior at the same time.

That would actually put the Alliance navy in a worse position, not better. If they could get the Horde navy between themselves and the shore defenses, it would be a different story, but the Horde getting the drop on the Alliance in Harbour just means the Alliance can't maneuver.

So no, it doesn't paint that picture. Quite the opposite. Also, "could", not "will". It means they are more or less equal, and it depends on who got the better tactics.

And that's combat ships, not transports. It actually doesn't tell you crap about their ability to transport anything anywhere, which the Alliance naturally would have a leg up when going to Undercity due to distance. Also...

(it's just it would lead to nothing because they wouldn't be able to transport an army large enough for a successful siege with it)

Think about that for a moment.

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Yep, plus look at the start of BFA - you visit Magni and he shows you what happened in Antorus in case you didn't do the raid.

And the transition doesn't happen until then. Not in the raid. That's the point.

[derpkitteh]

they do, and they do that on purpose to show their in-game representation inflated ego even better
by now it is becoming obvious that at least few blizz employees see themselves in-game, the most easy famous example in Nathanos who is strangely undead yet because he is a representation of an employee he fights both Tyrande and Malfurion and get away (even win something)

no, i would say they just don't consider it.

in everything, even the newest lore on draenei, they've done nothing but run and have not once succeeded at fending off attempts to destroy them. even in alt-draenor, they where they don't have the excuse of it being the legion, they get btfo by some mudhuts using gunpowder and maybe some small amount of elemental magic.

as i said earlier, nothing matters to their current storytellers beyond telling the current story. the world doesn't matter, it's just a stage in which to tell whatever current story they're telling. no wider context, no historical precedent, no racial capabilities, even character personalities are subject to change on a whim if it's needed. even one of their current chosen one characters, jaina, is subject to change at a moments notice. you will see that maybe one or two characters won't change, these are the co-opted self-insert(nathanos) and the waifu(sylvanas), and their stability would be welcome, if not done for such wretched reasons.

this all ultimately makes the story hollow. why should i care about a story that doesn't care about itself?