[Speculation] Bizzare "Leak" reveals screenshot of an upcoming Cinematic

[huth]

Because Stormwind harbor is totally located in a lagoon that would allow the Horde to completely trap and encircle the Alliance.

Well... yes. Not exactly a lagoon, maybe, but certainly a shape where the Horde could in fact do that, provided they could prevent the Alliance from detecting their fleet.

Yeah, right. Because the ships were so varied by role in the time period relevant to Azerothian navies. That's why we see so little of it in WoW. And that's why Saurfang mentioned nothing of the sort either when examining the topic. And instead talks about navies as a whole.

Given what we've seen of them? Yes, they are.

I'm not really sure what about a navy not being large enough to transport an army of necessary size warrants extra time spent on thinking about it, but you do you.

They didn't have one then. They lost ships since.

[Syegfryed]

The fact that they couldn't do actually do any kind of void magic until they found drathir's work after being banned for researching it nowhere near the Sunwell which is why they were banned purely because it was a threat to it.

could not do? shadows priests do void stuff all the time, but unlike VE, they didn't start doing experiments. so you don't have any proof that they were just reading book in a room, case closed for me

Like, what the fuck is your headcanon.

I mean, you want proof, where's your proof they did something more than research and experiment.

you said first, the burden of proof is on you, research and experiment get then banned, we just don't know what the dimension, but we know was big enough to get then banned

[DotEleven]

could not do? shadows priests do void stuff all the time, but unlike VE, they didn't start doing experiments. so you don't have any proof that they were just reading book in a room, case closed for me





you said first, the burden of proof is on you, research and experiment get then banned, we just don't know what the dimension, but we know was big enough to get then banned

Why would burden of proof be on me? You're the one accusing them of having some big maniacal scheme worthy of being banned. All it said was that they researched. What was big enough to get banned was "They delved into void research" that's it. You haven't brought a single shred of evidence that they did more.

Case closed. You're ignorant, have zero understanding of the lore, and can't even look up your own arguments, while I've brought facts and sources you've brought personal headcanon.

[sam86]

no, i would say they just don't consider it.

why should i care about a story that doesn't care about itself?

Disagree, it is at least confirmed that blizz employees have a fetish for hot elf chicks, that include metzen, sadly the proof is probably at least 5 years old when Nathanos started to get major update or something pre-legion era
As for why i care.. well i can't defend current lore, but they did care about it once and i invested massively in wow to stop caring about it, for better or worse

[Syegfryed]

Why would burden of proof be on me? You're the one accusing them of having some big maniacal scheme worthy of being banned. All it said was that they researched. What was big enough to get banned was "They delved into void research" that's it. You haven't brought a single shred of evidence that they did more.

you said the only research they did was to sit in a room reading books, doing nothing

i said they must have done something big enough to get a banishment.

Delved into void research rmeans experiments, mean using the magic to archive results, so, they are doing something dangerous and got banned for it, thats is the "facts"

you are going your way thinking they should do as you think make you look like the ignorant

[Mehrunes]

Well... yes. Not exactly a lagoon, maybe, but certainly a shape where the Horde could in fact do that, provided they could prevent the Alliance from detecting their fleet.

Yeah, if they pulled an Euron and magically conjured a thousand ships out of nowhere. But even then the circle would be massive. Never mind that shoreline support in a setting with magic means a lot of casters raining fire on the Horde ships. Speaking of fire and Stormwind, Zul managed to set fire to a city made mostly of stone. So chances are fire casters + wooden ships would be particularly deadly in this setting.

Given what we've seen of them? Yes, they are.

Except for when Sylvanas sailed her army to Stormheim. Weirdly enough she used her normal ships for that. Or when literally everyone sailed to SoO. Same story. Humans sailing to Northrend. Same. Both factions sailing to Broken Shore. Also same. But I'm sure those dedicated transport ships are hiding just around the corner.

They didn't have one then. They lost ships since.

Yes? Which part of this is confusing you because I really don't follow. Neither do I know how does them losing ships since is supposed to be relevant here.

[DotEleven]

you said the only research they did was to sit in a room reading books, doing nothing

i said they must have done something big enough to get a banishment.

Delved into void research rmeans experiments, mean using the magic to archive results, so, they are doing something dangerous and got banned for it, thats is the "facts"

you are going your way thinking they should do as you think make you look like the ignorant

His research was opposed by Quel'Thalas's Grand Magister, Rommath, who clashed with Umbric and his followers over their research. Rommath eventually succeeded in demanding they be exiled, reasoning that those who treat with the void pose a direct threat to the Sunwell.

Grand Magister Rommath says: This is why I demanded that Umbric and his radicals be exiled. Anyone who treats with the Void is a danger to the Sunwell!

That's it. No big experiments, no actual problem had occured. "They delved into the void. They were a threat. They must be removed". That's it. And Lorthemar allowed it. Then here comes Alleria and it's all cool. Lor'themar thinks nothing of the woman literally immersed in the void.

You still seem to think that researching a subject is more dangerous than literally being immersed in it. Like, nothing had actually even happened to the Sunwell while they did their research, but they were kicked out anyway. And you think there was some big accident that caused them to be kicked. Get the hell out of here with your headcanon and do some actual research.

Seriously, you keep pushing your headcanon as truth and I'm going to start thinking you're trolling.

[Syegfryed]

That's it. No big experiments, no actual problem had occured. "They delved into the void. They were a threat. They must be removed". That's it.

Yes, and what do you think "delved into the void" mean? you are saying they did nothing with void magic, thats nonsensical.

if they were doing nothing, at all, they would not get banned, simple as that.

[DotEleven]

Yes, and what do you think "delved into the void" mean? you are saying they did nothing with void magic, thats nonsensical.

if they were doing nothing, at all, they would not get banned, simple as that.

You literally said with Alleria it "didn't matter as long as she didn't cast Void magic near the sunwell" why would they be banned if all they had to do was "not do it at the Sunwell". All they were doing was researching, they didn't really have the means to actually do anything with the void itself until they found Drathirs work.

Do you even know the freaking scenario?

Literally, here's been our argument so far.

"They got banned so they did something banworthy"
"Here's literally in lore text saying they researched it."
"Nope, they did something banworthy"
"Here's more saying that all it was was research"
"Nope, banned! I can prove it because they were banned so it must be banworthy"
"But here's more in game lore saying it was research"
"BANNED!"

[Syegfryed]

You literally said with Alleria it "didn't matter as long as she didn't cast Void magic near the sunwell"

i said Lorthemar, who boviously have not all knowledge about the incident, since he just agree with Rommanth decision, though she just passing by was not a thread, since she was doing nothing, Rommanth knew it was dangerous, but Lorthemar let happen anyway.

thats my view of things, im not saying its the truth, but tis the most logical

why would they be banned if all they had to do was "not do it at the Sunwell".

use logic, if they were doing nothing dangerous at all, they would not be banned.

"They got banned so they did something banworthy"
"Here's literally in lore text saying they researched it."
"Nope, they did something banworthy"
"

yeah stop right here and think about, they research was ban-worthy, so by logic, they were not reading books about it, they delved into the void, they must have done something ban-worthy in their research, thats is what look like to me

[DotEleven]

i said Lorthemar, who boviously have not all knowledge about the incident, since he just agree with Rommanth decision, though she just passing by was not a thread, since she was doing nothing, Rommanth knew it was dangerous, but Lorthemar let happen anyway.

thats my view of things, im not saying its the truth, but tis the most logical


use logic, if they were doing nothing dangerous at all, they would not be banned.



yeah stop right here and think about, they research was ban-worthy, so by logic, they were not reading books about it, they delved into the void, they must have done something ban-worthy in their research, thats is what look like to me

Considering nothing dangerous had happened yes.

You use logic. Nothing had happened. It was just the possibility that got them banned.

"Oh, well Nuclear fusion has a possibility of exploding so we banned it. Oh but letting someone who has literally been immerse in the Nuclear waste, yeah we'll let them near"

That is your belief. That is what you're arguing. And you just cant see how ridiculous it is. You are making up a ridiculous scenario that doesn't actually exists and saying "Because he banned them it is 100% factual"

Until you actually research the freaking happenings, I'm done here because there's no use arguing with someone so ignorant. In fact, I'm just done seeing your silly headcanon-filled replies.

And the best part is even this isn't quite correct. It's like "We're scared your nuclear fusion is going to explode something 1,000 miles away so we're banning you. But the person immersed in Nuclear Waste is okay to come near it."

[Syegfryed]

Considering nothing dangerous had happened yes.

i mean if Rommanth decided they should stop to not happen, good thing they were not doing, the guy is legend .

You use logic. Nothing had happened. It was just the possibility that got them banned.

their research proved to be dangerous enough to get then banned, and again, they got because they didn't stop, after previous warning., they were not just in a room reading books, "they delved into the void" like you said, implies they were doing void experiments, they told the elves to stop, they didn't stop, they got banned, you can dislike the writing all you want, because is indeed crap, but there is no contradiction, just shit lore in general.

your silly headcanon-filled replies.

sure, you have "canon facts" like they were doing nothing at all, and got banned because nothing.

[Varodoc]

Another way to tell that that leak is fake? Void-corrupted Anduin. The writers envision him as a symbol of non-toxic masculinity -- thus, he isn't going to go mad or do anything that resembles evil (and we're just going to forget about his holy Light bones…)

[Rozz]

Please remain on topic to the leak. This is not a thread about Thalassian affairs.

[Lumineus]

Bellular's made a video
and according to his team the graphics are bang on the ones blizzard use.

I think he needs new glasses if he really thinks those water effects look anywhere near close to the ones in previous cutscenes. This looks like it was "rendered" on a private server by a client with the reflection quality set to Low.

[Darth-Piekus]

Another way to tell that that leak is fake? Void-corrupted Anduin. The writers envision him as a symbol of non-toxic masculinity -- thus, he isn't going to go mad or do anything that resembles evil (and we're just going to forget about his holy Light bones…)

What about the fact that Sylvannas was losing badly everywhere and of course having no fleet by 8.2 according to the devs. Suddenly she has enough army to fight in the Durotar Warfront, in Thunder Bluff both the Rebellion and the Alliance and enough army to attack Stormwind not to mention she's gonna spawn ships out of nowhere. Then the fact that the Horde leaders change loyalty two times. Anduin going Void all of a sudden. Then everyone dies which is basically what every villain tries to do and it's called a wipe. Such a fake leak I must say.

[Verdugo]

What about the fact that Sylvannas was losing badly everywhere and of course having no fleet by 8.2 according to the devs. Suddenly she has enough army to fight in the Durotar Warfront, in Thunder Bluff both the Rebellion and the Alliance and enough army to attack Stormwind not to mention she's gonna spawn ships out of nowhere. Then the fact that the Horde leaders change loyalty two times. Anduin going Void all of a sudden. Then everyone dies which is basically what every villain tries to do and it's called a wipe. Such a fake leak I must say.

You got really salty when someone insulted holy boy.

[Varodoc]

What about the fact that Sylvannas was losing badly everywhere and of course having no fleet by 8.2 according to the devs. Suddenly she has enough army to fight in the Durotar Warfront, in Thunder Bluff both the Rebellion and the Alliance and enough army to attack Stormwind not to mention she's gonna spawn ships out of nowhere. Then the fact that the Horde leaders change loyalty two times. Anduin going Void all of a sudden. Then everyone dies which is basically what every villain tries to do and it's called a wipe. Such a fake leak I must say.

I already aknowledged those points... I'm just giving another way to tell that the leak is fake.

[thilicen]

Bellular's made a video
and according to his team the graphics are bang on the ones blizzard use.

Some youtuber who gets a ton of shit wrong in a lot of videos and often posts complete bullshit had "his bois" look at it and they say it looks real. Guess that's case closed then..

[Darth-Piekus]

You got really salty when someone insulted holy boy.

I don't give a damn about holyboy. I want consistency in the Lore.