World First Ragnaros and Onyxia Kill on Classic by APES - Gehennas EU

[WowClassic]

The "bad" players may not be reminded of their failings explicitly by the game design, but they are implicitly reminded by having no carrot to chase, as the endgame has been proven trivial before they even reach it.

Don't think so, if anything it will be the opposite. It tells the bad player that they too could one day have a shot of glory, even if it takes them a lot longer to get there. The bad player doesn't care that some nerds who have been practicising for this one moment for years killed a boss in a few days, they only care that it is an attainable objective for them to complete, something they could never feel about the more difficult content in retail.

[G3 Ghost]

The best part is, you are a one in a million dog.

The rest Americans I know are wonderful people.

Thank you for not lumping us in with that mongoloid.

OT: Good for them. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's a great huge accomplishment, but it definitely shows commitment I lack myself (for any video game, much less Classic).

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

who saw this coming? oh, right. we all did.

i'll just say something ignorant and obnoxious now. I CAN SOLO ALL THESE BOSSES ON RETAIL LULLLLLLLLLLLL

[Nnyco]

Cheers APES, managed a successful less than 1 week kill.

Lets see how long until BWL is cleared now. I expect it to be a 1 night clear as well

Yeah, esspecially if you consider that when BWL comes out, they will be (more or less) fully geared. The "race" if you can even call that, will persist of: who entered the raid first will most likely get first nef kill.

[Ungeir]

Don't think so, if anything it will be the opposite. It tells the bad player that they too could one day have a shot of glory, even if it takes them a lot longer to get there. The bad player doesn't care that some nerds who have been practicising for this one moment for years killed a boss in a few days, they only care that it is an attainable objective for them to complete, something they could never feel about the more difficult content in retail.

You have a point that there is unreachable content for them. But there is also no glory in the available content. For the players with intrinsic motivation that's fine. But many will be unwilling to stomach the commitment needed, once they realize that noone is going to care about their Classic loot and kills. Anecdotally the glory hounds are by far the biggest chunk of players. Rewards, tangible and intangible, are key to most players. Just look at how quickly any poorly rewarding or low-prestige activity is abandoned.

If anything, those players will return to retail and clamor for cutting-edge content with no skill floor. "Just look at the success of classic!" - "We want raids anyone can complete with enough time commitment and dedication!". But that way is the land of extreme content droughts, so Blizzard can't do that. I suspect Classic will thus serve to make the community increasingly toxic in their cries for "single-difficulty end-game content". Because they sure won't be asking for Mythic-difficulty as the base level of anything. But as for them actually sticking to Classic? I don't see it happening beyond a very small crowd.

[Nelle]

i LOVE those muffled "yeeeey" on thr Rag/Onyxia WorldFirst clips on MMO-Champ. Not a flying F*** was given that day.

[guisadop]

Amazing! Just goes to show how important experience in unofficial servers is, despite a lot of people thinking unofficial is nothing like actual Vanilla.

[gioderpington]

Gonna suck when they release the AQ raids and the grind is done in 1 hour :/

[Kyphael]

There is no skill involved with these kills. Especially since a bunch of people on the raid team aren't even max level and are wearing greens and blues. The raids just weren't difficult at all and this proves it.

Fair point, time and commitment then. The average player is nowhere near as insane as the Guild members of Apes.

[klaps_05]

Gonna suck when they release the AQ raids and the grind is done in 1 hour :/

As they said the war effort will not be changed, the gates will most likely be instantly opened by the pre-determined Scarab Lords.

[reemi]

So now everyone hates the game because a prepared group killed the last boss...

"The game is too easy, Classic isnt hard like Vanilla... blablabla"

And at same time, many players still die fighting level 15 mobs in Westfall!

Me, I still enjoy it and it's hard enough for my skills.

[glowpipe]

so on every subsequent raid release now. World "first" are all gonna be measured in hours instead of days. They did mc and ony in green questing gear. Bwl, aq and naxx will all be done in more or less full raid gear (if they actually bother enough to farm it) you being stuck in queue or 5 min too late home is the difference between world "first" or not

[MrExcelion]

"The original world first kill of Ragnaros was 154 days after the initial release of the raid, years of game knowledge and practice took this down to just 6 days!"

Also the 1.12 patch played a big part

[shaunika123]

Oh, but they did. Peeps were claiming for years how the raids themselves were harder than w/e retail had to offer.

okay let me rephrase
noone with any sense claimed they were harder, especially not mechanically.

some naxx/aq40 bosses *might* end up pretty hard(not sure since I havent done them in 14 years), but not because of the mechanics, just the silly tuning. like one taunt resist on 4horsemen is like a wipe. or a mind control resist on razuvious is a wipe.

but nothing in the first 2 raids is even remotely challenging

[Kyphael]

Skilled? MC is about as hard as LFR. The average player might not have the time to level that fast but it has very little to do with skill.

Perseverance to get even remotely near 60 is what I meant! lol Good point.

[Bjay]

What exactly is the difference between tedious and hard?

Hard requires skill, tedious requires patience.

[Kyphael]

Oh but Classic does indeed have holidays. Blizz has said all holidays that were available at the time of Classic's patch number will be activated in Classic. Including:

Feast of Winter Veil
Noblegarden
Children's Week
Darkmoon Faire
Harvest Festival
Hallow's End -
Lunar Festival -
Love is in the Air
Midsummer Fire Festival

Wait, so it will have Hallow's End!? Huh.

[Ielenia]

It was not same mc what it was on vanilla release, it is kinda stupid compare classic to original. These ppl who did raid MC on release says it was hard because of the overtune.

Was it, really? All I ever heard was that C'Thun and Naxx were overtuned. Never MC.

Are you sure? These guys practiced on private servers for months more like.

Doesn't invalidate my point. In fact, it contributes to it, about "access to information". And again: back in vanilla, you didn't have YT creators putting up boss guides the day a raid tier goes live, fan sites datamining secrets, etc.

[Kyphael]

Perhaps, but this does serve to highlight the huge differences between the players of the past, and the players of today: access to information. Before Classic WoW even went live, WoWHead and many other WoW fansites and fanblogs were showcasing leveling and gearing guides for Classic. Datamining, YouTube, etc. All contributed for the expedient demise of Ragnaros merely a week after the game went live.

For sure, the wealth of data the internet of today has versus the internet of 2004 helped a lot, but it still takes a little more than knowledge to get to level 60 within 7 days and then enter that raid which has hours full of trash and bosses. Even if I were on vacation would I try or want to, and the average player wouldn't either.

[Lord Pebbleton]

As I said on the other thread, the "Classic was hard" crowd is so done after this. You can never say that again. We got the authentic vanilla experience, no strings attached, with people saying it would be impossible in the first week, and they still did it.