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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    Was Cataclysm pre-Dragon Soul really viewed negatively?
    It wasn't, people loved FL. Honestly cataclysm wasn't as bad as people call it.

    Anyway, I wouldn't even mind leveling again but I would LOVE for up to mop servers, TBC really improved on classes but Wrath-MoP had some of the best class design in the game, it's been downhill since WoD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puddlejumper View Post
    It wasn't exactly post-Wrath that the decline started. It was post-LFG, which was kinda right in the middle of Wrath. LFG is The Thing That Killed the Game, although it took a few years.
    No, just, no. LFD tool was added in 3.3.0 with ICC. Sub decline didn't start until over a month into cata

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by toffmcsoft View Post
    No TBC, No Wrath.

    Blizzard should continue to build on Classic and release new raid content around CLASSIC.
    TBC introduces flying an an entirely new zone which kills the interaction within the orginal World.

    Blizzard should keep the orginal world going and introduce Hyjal and other areas that are dead space in the current world.
    Yeah, this is one thing that I'm certain they won't be doing. Because that would be cannibalizing the retail product. They'd have to divert resources from the retail team (right now the Classic conservation team is small and they don't require art or sound assets). This won't happen.

    I think what probably ends up happening (if Classic ends up being commercial success) is the EQ model, where they progress the current Classic to TBC and at the same time open a few new realms that are going to stay at Classic. This allows players who don't want TBC to move to a Classic realm, while players who want to see progression journey can continue on to TBC without re-leveling.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Puddlejumper View Post
    It wasn't exactly post-Wrath that the decline started. It was post-LFG, which was kinda right in the middle of Wrath. LFG is The Thing That Killed the Game, although it took a few years.

    The problem with re-releasing BC or other expansions is that all the expansions are endgame-focused. Private Vanilla servers succeeded because of the meaningfulness of the open world. BC is basically just a different game called Outland, with a huge tumor growing out of its backside called Azeroth, that's literally just dead weight. Making people level through the tumor doesn't make that better, it makes it a rehash of the design philosophy that brought us retail, and it would be a crying shame to allow that to happen again. Having them start to release No-Changes expansions leading us back to retail would be like going back in time to watch a train crashing into your home over and over. It would be the absolute worst thing I could imagine them doing.
    This isn't entirely true though.

    Leveling 1-60 in BC wasn't 'a tumor.' It was pretty fun, as someone who didn't start playing until BC. In fact, it was nearly identical to leveling in Classic. (But with XP-per-level nerfs, and a few new talents/spells that made things a bit easier.)

    That, and if Blizzard is smart, they'll make you able to transfer characters from Classic to Classic-BC to Classic-Wrath etc. so people who DID already level 1-60 on Classic won't have to do it again in BC. (Unless they want to - Multiple classes were better to level in BC than Vanilla, and by Wrath all classes had multiple specs that could level easily - It was basically JUST healers that had issues at that time, and dual spec took care of it.)
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    You got a reason Blizzard shouldn't allow players to choose whether they want to bring their level 60 characters into TBC other than "I don't like it"?
    I would say because many people enjoyed the leveling experience of TBC. It is pretty much the same as Vanilla but slightly superior. Many broken class became slightly less broken. Ret and Spriests for example. Spriest got Vampiric touch which granted mana to the whole group. It was really appreciated when running Zul Farak.
    That would be a good reason imo but I'd be fine with keeping my 60 fomr classic

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    And how exactly would you make sure that all classic realms would have healthy population of players after releasing TBC?
    less realms?

    duh doy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilyaki View Post
    Who said they even doing the others?
    They did.

    they didnt guarantee it, but they've already been talking about TBC

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by scubi666stacy View Post
    Aaand here we go. Good way to splinter up a community even more...
    Considering the amount of toxicity and mutual dislike there is between in the forum, I'm not sure what is the problem in separating communities which obviously don't get along.
    Also, considering the amount of rabid anti-Classic posters who seem unable to do anything but spamming the forum of the game they hate, it doesn't look like the community will actually be splintered

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    Lol there's not going to be TBC servers. This is all you're getting, classic. I tribute to 15 years of WoW.

    TBC servers... rofl

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Do you realize how much work it would be?
    Remember when people used to say the same thing about Vanilla legacy servers?

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It wasn't, people loved FL. Honestly cataclysm wasn't as bad as people call it.
    Yea, I thought the same. I didn't play Legion, but Dragon Soul patch was the death knell for me. WoW just never was able to capture my attention like it once did.

    I did start heavily drinking during Firelands from me having to kite on Seth, hunters not being able to kite, people not being able to comprehend what leg to hit, how to fly, and for the love of god loving to eat meatballs, so it could be the burn-out from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art the Clown View Post
    Lol there's not going to be TBC servers. This is all you're getting, classic. I tribute to 15 years of WoW.

    TBC servers... rofl
    If the player base is still there, they will absolutely progress it to BC. Now, what is rofl, is people thinking they will be developing anything NEW content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    They could take a look at the EverQuest model.

    Basically just staggered releases of sets of classic servers, they progress over time at their own rate.

    Example

    --------------------2019------2020------2021------2022------2023------2024
    Server Set A----Classic----Classic-----BC---------BC--------Wrath-----Wrath
    Server Set B-----------------------------Classic----Classic----BC----------BC
    Server Set C-----------------------------------------------------Classic-----Classic
    I think that would be a really bad idea... People playing classic who don't want to play TBC shouldn't have it forced on them, etc... They should just open TBC servers and let people transfer their characters there if they want, and the classic servers should stay as they are.
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  11. #91
    they will obviously allow max character copy to the next expansion.

    also if by chance they do mop classic, wod classic and so on, then you will be able to get classic transmog up to the account wide.

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    Look at the amount of hate between retail and classic. Now add BC and Wrath in the mix.

    Jesus, this forum would be on fire ALL the time.

    I still think it will happen though, even if I do not really want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoMana View Post
    Yeah, this is one thing that I'm certain they won't be doing. Because that would be cannibalizing the retail product. They'd have to divert resources from the retail team (right now the Classic conservation team is small and they don't require art or sound assets). This won't happen.

    I think what probably ends up happening (if Classic ends up being commercial success) is the EQ model, where they progress the current Classic to TBC and at the same time open a few new realms that are going to stay at Classic. This allows players who don't want TBC to move to a Classic realm, while players who want to see progression journey can continue on to TBC without re-leveling.
    Well, they could hire more people and build a new team just for classic. If they want to keep a cohesive world, naturally the assets will be low res and sounds could be reused from retail.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    I think that would be a really bad idea... People playing classic who don't want to play TBC shouldn't have it forced on them, etc... They should just open TBC servers and let people transfer their characters there if they want, and the classic servers should stay as they are.
    I think that's probably a better idea too. So Server Set A would just remain classic, B would be the BC ones where you can copy over, and C the Wrath ones.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    TBC is coming. Is money without having to make any content. And blizzard likes money.
    That's the bottom line right there. Basically a free stock booster around the time of a quarterly report.

  15. #95
    They released new servers for BC, and my BC experience was 1-70 and not 60-70. I would welcome that.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    I think that would be a really bad idea... People playing classic who don't want to play TBC shouldn't have it forced on them, etc... They should just open TBC servers and let people transfer their characters there if they want, and the classic servers should stay as they are.
    I like this idea. An idea I had was to make progression servers, where the players know from jump that it's eventually going to transition to BC and/or Wrath. But the current Classic servers should not progress beyond the phasing that's already been planned for them.

    Classic should remain Classic. But it there was a pre-designated Classic server that would transition to BC after a set interval and into Wrath after another set interval I would certainly give it a try.

    So in my model you have your Classic servers that remain Vanilla, your BC servers that start as Vanilla and transition to BC, and your Wrath servers that start as Vanilla tranistion to BC and then transition to Wrath.

    But character transfer/copy is much simpler and accomplishes the same thing.
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  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Sluvs View Post
    Well, they could hire more people and build a new team just for classic. If they want to keep a cohesive world, naturally the assets will be low res and sounds could be reused from retail.
    They could - but all of that really depends on just exactly how big of a economical success Classic is. Is it big enough to duplicate the retail team? I very much doubt it, but I guess some future investors call might prove me wrong.

    However, I think more realistic alternative is that retail WoW will "learn some lessons" from the (hypothetically) wildly successful Classic and a future expansion features will be modeled according to this enormous consumer demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoMana View Post
    They could - but all of that really depends on just exactly how big of a economical success Classic is. Is it big enough to duplicate the retail team? I very much doubt it, but I guess some future investors call might prove me wrong.

    However, I think more realistic alternative is that retail WoW will "learn some lessons" from the (hypothetically) wildly successful Classic and a future expansion features will be modeled according to this enormous consumer demand.
    Yep, I agree with you. The most likely scenario is retail learning from classic IMO. The lack of RPG elements are really hurting the game, that is just my take on it though.

    Although there is the argument that could be made against such a move, that doing that might alienate the current playerbase of retail.
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  19. #99
    Releasing TBC would be missing the point of Classic project anyway. Ofc there will be people saying it's a good idea, but then there will also be people it's good idea to release Wotlk, and then some will want Cata... so what's the point?

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    They could take a look at the EverQuest model.

    Basically just staggered releases of sets of classic servers, they progress over time at their own rate.

    Example

    --------------------2019------2020------2021------2022------2023------2024
    Server Set A----Classic----Classic-----BC---------BC--------Wrath-----Wrath
    Server Set B-----------------------------Classic----Classic----BC----------BC
    Server Set C-----------------------------------------------------Classic-----Classic
    I'd love to see this model followed for WoW - people who miss events like the AQ gates in Classic could still experience them in the future on new servers, and new players who just want a group for Hogger or Vagash could get one.

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