Eternal Palace feels bland to me because of the lack of gear

[Grmmppff]

Get out of here. No one plays video games because they enjoy them any more. /s

In all seriousness, if you only do things to get gear, your approach to the game is wrong. It's one of the reasons I hate Mythic+.

In all seriousness, if you do think that people doing things only to get gear is a wrong approach, your approach to the game is wrong. It's one of the reasons I hate people trying to sell their opinion as facts.

I, and many others, do get their joy in the game, at least a huge part of it, from items. Who are you to tell me, or us for that matter, that is wrong? I raid to get gear, I do m+ to get gear, I pvp to get gear. What a pity my wrongful approach is actually fun for me.

Also I kind of agree, not completely though. M+ was designed as an alternative to raiding wasn't it? That's not the case though. If you wanna be top of the pops gear-wise you have to do all. You'll need weapons from mythic raiding, which are 445 and can forge to 455(weapons can only warforge, never titanforge => 440 from m+, 450 from weekly chest is max(if you're insanely lucky that is)). Trinkets from raid are usually among the best too. And for some azerite pieces might be better than what can be gotten via titan residuum. That's it though and most of that can be had from the first 3 mythic bosses, which any crappy random group can do. The rest can easily and easier be filled by benthic(when raiding), m+ gear and your professions.

[Mamercus]

I don't think the complaint is accurate. EP has more gear that is BIS for raiding than any other tier from Legion onwards. It used to be you could gear up mostly through your M+ chest and M+ but there are tons and tons of unique drops that are exclusively powerful for raiding like coral, inkpod, and other stuff. Diver's Folly is far and away the bis agility one hander.

Benthic obviously matters but all of those slots I had 440s/socketed 440+s as a alternates within a couple weeks of the raid coming out. It took me until last week to finally get a 445 weapon and other important raid-only loot like coral.

The patch has other issues like the incredible grinds piled upon grinds but the raid loot is not really one of them. All the benthic slots are meaningless minor slots anyway that would otherwise be filled by generic pieces from the M+ weekly chest or M+ drops if not the regular raid drops.

[Mardux]

In all seriousness, if you do think that people doing things only to get gear is a wrong approach, your approach to the game is wrong. It's one of the reasons I hate people trying to sell their opinion as facts.

I, and many others, do get their joy in the game, at least a huge part of it, from items. Who are you to tell me, or us for that matter, that is wrong? I raid to get gear, I do m+ to get gear, I pvp to get gear. What a pity my wrongful approach is actually fun for me.

Also I kind of agree, not completely though. M+ was designed as an alternative to raiding wasn't it? That's not the case though. If you wanna be top of the pops gear-wise you have to do all. You'll need weapons from mythic raiding, which are 445 and can forge to 455(weapons can only warforge, never titanforge => 440 from m+, 450 from weekly chest is max(if you're insanely lucky that is)). Trinkets from raid are usually among the best too. And for some azerite pieces might be better than what can be gotten via titan residuum. That's it though and most of that can be had from the first 3 mythic bosses, which any crappy random group can do. The rest can easily and easier be filled by benthic(when raiding), m+ gear and your professions.

The irony.

[GreenJesus]

I see basic statistics aren't you're strong area. Maybe if you actually used the belt you'd be able to parse better

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...a-52/bullseyed

Also, I simmed you, the belt is an upgrade.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...wJQutLyBrpX8pZ

Oof. That was a mortal combat finisher right there.

[Grmmppff]

The irony.

which is intended, guess I should make that more obvious next time

[Nubulous]

Which 6? You're supposed to use gloves, wrists, and boots. Belt is kind of a sidegrade.

I have Enchanting/Engineering so am not TOTALLY min maxing my hunter by using LW/JC which I am fully aware of.

Chest-Orgozoa Chest is a DOWNGRADE over 435 Benthic Piece and all the TR chest pieces are also worse with the gear I currently have...

I havent simmed it as the Orgozoa Chest could be an upgrade potentially if I also get Cannoners for Shoulder but I do not have that atm and im using Mythic Shoulders with DOD- At this moment Cannoners and Amalgamated Shoulders are both better and what I will be spending my future TR on and im sure once I get Cannoners the Orgozoa chest will more than likely be a bit better to use with it than the Benthic..but the Benthic is SUPER strong and probably going to be BIS for anyone who doesnt have a Cannoners/Amalgamated Shoulder

Wrists-Better than Mythic wrists, and 440 M+ ones
Hands-Better than Mythic hands, and 440 M+ ones
Waist- Better than Mythic waist, and 440 M+ ones
Legs-Both raid pants(445ilvl), any 440 M+ leggings are worse than the Benthic Socket +crit/haste ones
Boots-Better than Mythic Feet, and 440 M+ ones

Simming at around 53k with current gear

[bullseyed]

I have Enchanting/Engineering so am not TOTALLY min maxing my hunter by using LW/JC which I am fully aware of.

Chest-Orgozoa Chest is a DOWNGRADE over 435 Benthic Piece and all the TR chest pieces are also worse with the gear I currently have...

I havent simmed it as the Orgozoa Chest could be an upgrade potentially if I also get Cannoners for Shoulder but I do not have that atm and im using Mythic Shoulders with DOD- At this moment Cannoners and Amalgamated Shoulders are both better and what I will be spending my future TR on and im sure once I get Cannoners the Orgozoa chest will more than likely be a bit better to use with it than the Benthic..but the Benthic is SUPER strong and probably going to be BIS for anyone who doesnt have a Cannoners/Amalgamated Shoulder

Wrists-Better than Mythic wrists, and 440 M+ ones
Hands-Better than Mythic hands, and 440 M+ ones
Waist- Better than Mythic waist, and 440 M+ ones
Legs-Both raid pants(445ilvl), any 440 M+ leggings are worse than the Benthic Socket +crit/haste ones
Boots-Better than Mythic Feet, and 440 M+ ones

Simming at around 53k with current gear

For me the haste raid pants are BIS and azerite is a bit different. I'm just under 50k sim dps and not playing BM. I know I can get to 55k-ish with some socket luck and TFs. Also need a belt higher than 430, missed Sivara farm kill this week.

[Wilfire]

Benthic is probably the 1st step towards an in-game shop casino for the best gear. Only nerds get their BiS from mythic raids. The real chads just swipe their credit cards and get smokin' hot overbudgeted OP gear.

[Muajin76]

I've been wondering lately as why Ep felt so lacklustre past the first kill i've done.

I'm still thrillwd to progress in mythic but reclearing feels like a chore when i only had this feeling toward the end of a tier.

And the issue is that the reward from the raid id very unrewarding. There is no new set to get so no gameplay change, and out of the 16 slits of loot i got, only SIX that are actually BIS from the raid.

Neck is HoA
Rings are mechagon
Shoulders are vendor
Pants are m+
4 benthic pieces
Trinket is craft

In order for a piece to be an upgrade in the raid (mythic) it has to be both warforged and has a socket.

I m glad i can gear up a bit outside of raid but the hardest content in game should still reward the best loots, at least slightly...

The gear models show blizz's lack of ideas for gear models lately. Raid gear looks bland, ive seen better looking gear outside of raids. It's sad. Blizz needs to introduce mythic design style gear models for lvls NOT just for mythic but for other raid difficulties as well imho.

[dcc626]

The gear models show blizz's lack of ideas for gear models lately. Raid gear looks bland, ive seen better looking gear outside of raids. It's sad. Blizz needs to introduce mythic design style gear models for lvls NOT just for mythic but for other raid difficulties as well imho.

yes, the problem with gear these days is how it looks.

i need mythic ring transmogs!

[monkaW]

I don't think the complaint is accurate. EP has more gear that is BIS for raiding than any other tier from Legion onwards. It used to be you could gear up mostly through your M+ chest and M+ but there are tons and tons of unique drops that are exclusively powerful for raiding like coral, inkpod, and other stuff. Diver's Folly is far and away the bis agility one hander.

IDK what you're smoking but in Legion you cant gear any PVE tier sets in M+, your fury warrior is pretty much incomplete without Draught, in fact most classes are incomplete without Titan's trinket in Antorus.

In EP there's probably only 2-3 raid item that is BIS for most class from Mythic EP.

I can even safely say that if you raid Mythic for gear in EP, you're pretty much an idiot.

[dcc626]

IDK what you're smoking but in Legion you cant gear any PVE tier sets in M+, your fury warrior is pretty much incomplete without Draught, in fact most classes are incomplete without Titan's trinket in Antorus.

In EP there's probably only 2-3 raid item that is BIS for most class from Mythic EP.

I can even safely say that if you raid Mythic for gear in EP, you're pretty much an idiot.

well, my best weapon and azerite helm are both from mythic. 2 highest simming trinkets are coral and inkpod.

so yeah, not a ton, but certainly more than a few.

[monkaW]

well, my best weapon and azerite helm are both from mythic. 2 highest simming trinkets are coral and inkpod.

so yeah, not a ton, but certainly more than a few.

Exactly, 3 is not "more gear that is BIS for fraiding than any other tier from Legion onwards"

Thats just you lying to yourself.

[clevin]

Well the issue is if there is nothing to gain from the raid for loot a lot of people wont want to do it. If you say do it for the story then once you clear it once u dont need to run it again. The carrot on the stick is what keeps a lot of people playing and if the carrot is removed then its pointless making it one of the WORST loot systems in 15 years of WoW

Then can we quit the crap I hear whenever we talk about loot systems? You know what I mean...

"Loot council is best because it means loot goes where it does the most good."

"But what about my own loot?"

"We don't raid for individual loot, we raid to progress, don't be a loot whore!"

Pick a lane, raiders, but you can't complain about raiding not being fun unless you get your shinies and then talk about how loot isn't an individual thing.

[trm90]

The Benthic system was awful. In a patch where we had to spend ages farming Essences and catching up on AP for massive upgrades, the last thing I wanted to do was farm Manapearls. I also had particularly bad RNG for the first few weeks and only grabbed one socketed Benthic piece. The cherry on top was farming Revered rep for the new two factions.

I know people like targeting gear, but the Benthic system was fundamentally RNG-based because of the socket. Going forward, I don't mind if Blizzard included the system but removed socket RNG and restricted the special effect to only one or two slots.

I don't know how other mythic raiders feel, but this patch has been really hard to keep up with and I hope we never have to grind this much again. I'm hitting 65 today (I couldn't play for a week and fell behind) and I fully intend to raid log until 8.2.5/8.3 hits.

[dcc626]

Bring back class sets and it would alleviate some of this.

cool. then i can have 4-6 pieces from raid that take up required spots. seems like an improvement.

[Captain Proton]

Then can we quit the crap I hear whenever we talk about loot systems? You know what I mean...

"Loot council is best because it means loot goes where it does the most good."

"But what about my own loot?"

"We don't raid for individual loot, we raid to progress, don't be a loot whore!"

Pick a lane, raiders, but you can't complain about raiding not being fun unless you get your shinies and then talk about how loot isn't an individual thing.

First off, wanting Master Loot doesn't negate people wanting items. I can still want an item but prefer it to go to a raider who needs it more. Second, the complaint in this thread is THE LOOT SUCKS, not that a person isn't getting gear.

[clevin]

First off, wanting Master Loot doesn't negate people wanting items. I can still want an item but prefer it to go to a raider who needs it more. Second, the complaint in this thread is THE LOOT SUCKS, not that a person isn't getting gear.

Read the post I quoted.

[Xath]

Is it just me, but isnt this literally the PERFECT gearing system??

Neck is HoA
everyone gets it, its the one thing all characters share and brings them together (azerite).

Rings are mechagon
Bis gear from the NEWEST 5man content (soon to be farmable with next season of m+, an alternative to the big groups doing raids

Shoulders are vendor
Guaranteed if you save residuum, gamble to get it sooner (only thing i would change from this system is double residuum from scrapping and make it so you cant gamble the same piece until you get all 6 once)

Pants are m+
Same as rings, but throws you into other dungeons as pants vary in secondaries!

4 benthic pieces
Story-line based guaranteed gear which 1) helps ALL types of raider and 2) makes the storylines and new content(zones) not pointless for high-end players. I would scale them down just a bit to be on par with Mythic gear

Trinket is craft
And the cherry on top - CRAFTING BEING RELEVANT.

This system with some small tweaks is imo the absolute best loot system in 15 years of WoW.

Yeah why the hell would I want to get gear from the raid .... this system blows

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Dungeons only ran into problems when the deeply unpopular catch-up mechanics were put into the game.

In TBC you needed to run dungeons to gear up and attune for Kara, so you could gear up for TK/SSC, so you could gear up for BT/Hyjal so you could gear up for Sunwell.

The progression system was highly rewarding psychologically, content was relevant longer, guilds could progress more often than the month a new raid dropped for non-hardcore players, etc.

Once you could skip dungeons entirely due to catchup mechanics, there had to come up with a different purpose. Under those terms, M+ was a great fit. But it was a better feeling when dungeons had a variation in difficulty and a progression path through them, that ended at entry into the raid.

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#2 on the list isn't using it. No need to go any further.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...aver/trumpetti

And here's my sim anyway: https://imgur.com/a/aKZBI3U

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=27

You are wrong he has all 3 pieces on he logged out in M+ gear.

[Daffan]

Experience > gear, imo.

If you need a raid to drop your uberlootz in order for you to enjoy said raid, that's not anyone else's fault.

This is trash for game design.

Devs don't want the experience only lasting one full clear.