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  1. #81
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    Storywise it’s absolute trash, I hope for your sake you never felt any semblance of attachment to your chosen faction.

    The rest is pretty mediocre, if not for the story I’d probably rate this expansion quite well.

    Playing solo is viable, you can get some really great gear from Nazjatar and Mechagon (Higher ilvl than Normal gear lower than Heroic gear).

    Can’t speak for gold making, but the mission tables are no longer a viable way of doing it.

    I hear PvP is horrible right now, can’t comment as I mostly just stick to Warmode and random BG”s with friends,

    Leveling alts is very easy, you’ve got three methods: Questing, Faction Incursions (Legion invasions but slightly better) and Island Expeditions. I’ve gotten 14 characters to 120 now, 11 through faction incursions, 1 through islands and 2 through questing. Personally recommend bulk leveling via incursions depending on the size of your alt army. But level through Kul Tiras and Zandalar once each for the allied races and achievements.

    Maintaining alts at max level is a tad more difficult solo, increasing your Nazjatar gear’s ilvl and getting the rings/trinkets from mechagon requires quite a bit of grind. To get 420 rings on your alts in mechagon you’d need to hit exalted with the faction.

    There’s also Heroic Warfronts which you have to find a premade group for. They’re easy and reward one random heroic quality (430) piece of gear.
    Amd not to forget raids and Mythic+. Both of which are pretty bog standard.

    Mythic+ Has resulted in the mass devaluing of gear. +10’s are easy and spit heroic-level gear at you. If you’ve got friends or guildies willing to boost you, you’ll catch up in no time outside of the heart of azeroth and essences.
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  2. #82
    1)The story is weak as fuck following legion. We literally went from ending sargeras to fighting crabs and pirates.

    2) The azerite system was just a complete cluster fuck on launch, everyone had multiple different sets for different sceanrios - then as soon as we adjusted to it, they changed everything, nullifying weeks - for some months - of grinding specific items

    3) World quest blue items were BiS for some slots.

    4) War front were a joke, I've no idea about the new heroic one but all the others before that were just slow, tedious and boring. Not to mention last way to long,

    I neither disliked or like the island expeditions, it was something to do. To me the biggest let down was point number 1. Even at blizzcon they hyped it up saying "crabs are infused with azerite!". I remember watching it with the guys and we were like "wtf..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Did you like Legion? You will probably like BfA. Did you not like Legion? You will probably not like BfA.
    I'd say, if you liked Legion, you'll dislike BfA and if you disliked Legion you'll like BfA..

    They are very much different.
    Fact (because I say so): TBC > Cata > Legion > MoP > BfA > WoD = WotLK

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  4. #84
    Don't listen to rumors. Especially not for WoW.

    This vocal minority is never ever proposing how to improve game. They either mention what worked before and what they liked and serve it to you as "That is what will make WoW great again!" and that is not how things are working for benefit of the game. It is subjective perception of WoW, which is overall wrong perception.

    So, this very same vocal minority is going to say how BFA is bad expansion and this is how they do it (usually):

    1. Azerite traits are boring, BFA is bad expansion
    2. GCD is changed, BFA is bad expansion
    3. No new classes, BFA is bad expansion.

    So, looking at this, one can get to a conclusion that BFA is bad expansion.
    Do you think that this is a correct way to look at things and give a review for it? I think not.

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    this will be personal

    some people hate it
    some people love it
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    hate the rng loot all you want,but statisticaly its a fact you get way more loot with this system than before

    the pruning thing has been going on for a long time now,its not a bfa issue

    the gcd stuff honestly feels fine now,big cd's should be on gcd,they took the feedback on many abilities and reverted it

    grind is not even close as bad as in legion...

    mounts yeah,some of the shop mounts are annoyingly unique,it would be fine if not so many of the ingame ones were repeats,but lets be honest here,how many shop mounts vs ingame?cant spend all that time and effort just on mounts
    Exactly. well not just more loot, you are getting nuked by loot.
    Most of the loot is complete thrash though. Useless. Either it's good or it's bad.

    I understand the shareholders point of view. Creating an addictive system to keep players subbing might be good for business. The issue is, it has prove to not be as sub counts has been dropping since cata.

    I know some people get dopamin highs opening that chest every tuesday or wednesday, or getting that titanforged proc, but casino-like addictive RNG systems shouldnt be what keep players subbing. Good gameplay should.
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  7. #87
    For me personally, (i'm still playing it- just to put it out there) the problems i have with the expansion is it in general feels like they took all of the systems that people loved in legion, and took away all the parts they loved, and then put those systems in for BFA and called it a day.

    Specs were left largely unfinished and promised to be finished in a patch only to be then told nah its an expansion thing so we'll just buff numbers (which is fine, however in some of the specs cases, the bigger issue is the way that they play, not necessarily their numbers). AP in general has been kinda sucky. The way it worked with the gear initially was counter intuitive with higher levels on your gear meaning you needed to grind more AP out to access the *SAME* traits you already had on a piece of gear (just because the new piece was a higher level, it locked everything on it behind a higher AP level and thus in order to use what you effectively already had, you had to level more - making it sucky to actually get gear early on - this has since been fixed).

    The essences currently i think were a step in the right direction but the system is quite alt unfriendly (i feel like they may address this, but they may not). And outside of doing the same half a dozen world quests in each zone each day, there's not really any reason to go to any places other than your main city.

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    I don't hate the expansion, I do have fun with the content. It's not my favourite, but it's still a game I like to play.
    That being said, things I am not happy about include the story, the approach to internal consistency, the 8.0 part of the azerite system and the aproach to flying; the rep farm feels a "bit too much", especially with the new factions (honored should be enough, by that time, the zone is explored and large portion of the zone story is finished).

  9. #89
    I stopped playing before the final patch of Warlords, nothing wrong just a mixture of changing job, moving house, my PC dying on its ass. Only resubbed two months ago and went through Legion and BFA zones, now alternating between trying to get flying in Legion and also Nazjatar dailies.

    Story seems to chug along nicely, even if it was slightly confusing with two expansions giving me plot lines at the same time, and there's been some genuinely fun quest lines.

    Actually enjoying myself, though I'm still spending 99% of my time alone in the world - bashing out WQ, rep, pet battles, progressing a BFA zone's quests, etc. Be keen to see how it all goes once I'm ready to hit instances, whatever expeditions are, and the like. Azeroth will always be home, but it's just a game.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Koken View Post
    Numbers of reasons.

    All loot is RNG based. There is no definite way to progress your character. Everything you do in game has a chance of being progress. In theory you can play for a full week and not progress in any way. On top of gear being RNG you have warforged/titanforged and socket procs. This basically makes the game into a casino where you can proc heroic/mythic ilvl on simple world quests or low mythic plus, and even LFR. Even if you are a mythic raider you can get upgrades from LFR which is why you see so many high geared players in LFR, forced to re-play lower content to have a chance of progressing their character. And on top of that, bonus rolls.

    Pruning. Removal of class unique abilities. Basically all specs are kinda the same. Every class has atleast one stun, one silence, one escape, one self heal. Some classes have more utility while others have had their class unique abilities removed causing some imbalance in mythic plus meta.

    GCD. Global Cooldown. Many abilities has been put on GCD causing the gameplay to feel clunky and slow for some classes/specs.

    Grind. Azerite for neck ilvl. You basically have to do all the content you find boring in order to keep up your neck ilvl. They added essences in 8.2 which can improve the gameplay of the spec but some essences are so much better then others and they are locked behind content you might not like. F.e. the conflict and strife being locked to rated PVP.

    Mounts. All unique mounts are in the shop. Collectable mounts from in game are re-skins from previous mounts.


    People will argue that loot has always been RNG. But in previous expansions there has been currency for gear. F.e justice points and pvp vendors. You always progressed doing end game content. In Bfa you are nuked with gear but most of it is very bad.

    When you grind a full week of normal/heroic raid wihtout any loot and you do a mythic +10 and you open that chest on wednesday and its a piece of shit loot. That feeling is extremely bad. You are back to square one.

    People will argue that you receive titan residuum that you can buy gear with and that is true. However, that gear is also RNG based except for the specific mythic gear which is super expensive. They cost 200K. To put that in perspective you get 17K per week doing mythic plus 10. That is 3 months for one item. Also it's only azerite gear that is purchaseable. 3 out of 15 slots that you can somewhat progress towards.

    People will argue that you dont need 445 ilvl azerite parts. Well, the reason you want to buy specific mythic is not because of the ilvl, it is because you know that you get the azerite that you need.

    The thing is, in order for your spec to perform you need specific azerite traits. Yes you need them, the DPS difference between bad azerite traits and good is enormous. It literally makes or breaks the spec.


    It's not all bad though. I still play this thrash game. I do enjoy mythic plus a lot and doing old raids for transmogs is quite fun and when you have all the correct azerite traits and stats on your characters the gameplay is a lot better.
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  11. #91
    nothing is good lul except art

    story is shit
    gameplay is beyond shit
    new features are shit
    everything really... except art

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzanle View Post
    Have not played since release month of legion and like all others came to check out classic. Now I have I wanna level in BFA on the side.

    But I have heard rumors BFA is a bad expansion but can not find any info on why this is. Can anyone explain.

    Follow up question as I have read a lot of comments. How solo friendly is wow now days. I like too level my toons, pvp and gold making on all my alts.
    Just elitist that did not complete anything in BFA are whining on forums.
    99.99% of the players just enjoys BFA and doesn't post crap on forums.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    Don't listen to rumors. Especially not for WoW.

    This vocal minority is never ever proposing how to improve game. They either mention what worked before and what they liked and serve it to you as "That is what will make WoW great again!" and that is not how things are working for benefit of the game. It is subjective perception of WoW, which is overall wrong perception.

    So, this very same vocal minority is going to say how BFA is bad expansion and this is how they do it (usually):

    1. Azerite traits are boring, BFA is bad expansion
    2. GCD is changed, BFA is bad expansion
    3. No new classes, BFA is bad expansion.

    So, looking at this, one can get to a conclusion that BFA is bad expansion.
    Do you think that this is a correct way to look at things and give a review for it? I think not.

    It is not the community that should work out the issues for Blizzard, we're not the developers.

    Pointing out flaws in the game is normal feedback. It's then Blizzards job to fix that (if they want).

    The problem is that Blizzard has been disconnected from the players for quite some while. The PvP scene has been asking for PvP vendors for ages but Blizzard for some unknown reason haven't listened.

    It's like Blizzard has their plans for the game and the community wants something else.
    You can talk for yourself, you might love everything with BFA and I understand some might do but you are not the majority dude. Sub counts has been dropping since Cata.

    This is normal customer behaviour. If you are not satisifed you are more likely to give feedback.

    Stop using that stupid line, "vocal minority". If you love everything about BFA you are infact the minority.

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    It feels like Legion again because the main features (world quests/mythic+) are the same as we did for 2 years in Legion. Better said, they are worse, because the world quests now give even less reputation making them more useless, and mythics start with fortified/tyrannical by default so it's brutal from start (talking about pre-BoD since that's when I left).

    The game isn't fun because it's boring and annoying for the main features, and the minor things (islands/warfronts) are terrible, or rather were, dunno now.

    Apart from this, the story sucks, the horde gets away with it yet again and the alliance is portrayed as the same old big blue idiot. I play alliance btw.

  15. #95
    Story is shitty.
    PVP tbh never was good enoght.
    Island expeditions = crap. Its nothing more like scenarios...
    And the thing that i hate so much not in BfA but in most modern expansions. Old raids and things you have done have no matter. This gave little advantage on new patch start nothin else.

    Actually dungeons myth+ and raids are good and gave fun.
    Azerite is ok but weapons were just bad ass. If you compare legion weapons vs bfa armor its so obvious weapons wons.
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  16. #96
    The Expansion's Story.
    Is pretty terrible and all over the place
    Class Balance and Design.
    most of the classes is boring and not fun to play, specs annoys me.
    Azerite, it's equipment and Essences.
    while it has gotten a lot better, it's still a boring reward system. Blizzard has no real rewards for players anymore so they just reward people now with a random number
    Islands.
    as it turns out if you remove roles and structure from a dungeon it will be boring AF, and there is no real rewards
    War Campaign.
    boring and bland, just a lesser order hall campaign, already with one of the first quests i lost interest and now im only doing it because i have to.
    PvP.
    no one cares about pvp anymore, templates are gone, thats good, but gear vendors are also gone so daddy blizz chooses for you want items you get. Reward structure is horrible
    Warfronts.
    does not make any sense, could have been good, but it's just a turn off your brain for 20minutes event. Heroic was slightly harder but it's the same thing. Soundtrack is good in stromguard though
    Removal of Tier sets
    Makes no sense, they worked great. Not we had azerite armor that was soooo terrible and the amount of different sets has gone down by alot!
    Checklist gameplay
    My wow experience is pretty much login and do my checklist that is all im doing. (have i done my dungoen? have i done my bg? have i killed my rares, have i done my worldquests?)
    World Quests
    Blizzard took a good system and fucked it, the rewards are horrible because blizzard knows that people only do them for races/flying
    Timegating
    everything is timegated now so they can try and keep people subbed for longer.
    RNG
    everything is just RNG and lootboxes now
    Warmode
    People are only in pvp now when they want to gank people, there no playing with pvp and have a dangerous world
    Blizzard dictating how people should play
    things as removal of masterloot and graphics options, blizzard knows best!
    Agressive monetization
    they have released a fuckton of store mounts in BFA and try and bait people into subbing for longer with mounts.

    this is just what i could think up atm.

  17. #97
    You can't find any info on why? Lol, that was a rather poor attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Did you like Legion? You will probably like BfA. Did you not like Legion? You will probably not like BfA. Why do people rely on others to tell them what to think? Whether something is bad or good is going to depend on if you, personally, enjoy that thing.
    I liked legion, I don't like BfA, the story isn't on par, there are no new mechanics (No, Azerite gear isn't new, it's watered down artifact). It just feels like Legion 1.5, not much progress, and even regress in some places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Did you like Legion? You will probably like BfA. Did you not like Legion? You will probably not like BfA. Why do people rely on others to tell them what to think? Whether something is bad or good is going to depend on if you, personally, enjoy that thing.
    Nonsense. Many people that liked legion think BfA is a step or 10 back in almost every single aspect.

  20. #100
    Gameplay is terrible and when gameplay sucks donkey balls, everything sucks.

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