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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    hate the rng loot all you want,but statisticaly its a fact you get way more loot with this system than before

    the pruning thing has been going on for a long time now,its not a bfa issue

    the gcd stuff honestly feels fine now,big cd's should be on gcd,they took the feedback on many abilities and reverted it

    grind is not even close as bad as in legion...

    mounts yeah,some of the shop mounts are annoyingly unique,it would be fine if not so many of the ingame ones were repeats,but lets be honest here,how many shop mounts vs ingame?cant spend all that time and effort just on mounts
    Exactly. well not just more loot, you are getting nuked by loot.
    Most of the loot is complete thrash though. Useless. Either it's good or it's bad.

    I understand the shareholders point of view. Creating an addictive system to keep players subbing might be good for business. The issue is, it has prove to not be as sub counts has been dropping since cata.

    I know some people get dopamin highs opening that chest every tuesday or wednesday, or getting that titanforged proc, but casino-like addictive RNG systems shouldnt be what keep players subbing. Good gameplay should.
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  2. #82
    For me personally, (i'm still playing it- just to put it out there) the problems i have with the expansion is it in general feels like they took all of the systems that people loved in legion, and took away all the parts they loved, and then put those systems in for BFA and called it a day.

    Specs were left largely unfinished and promised to be finished in a patch only to be then told nah its an expansion thing so we'll just buff numbers (which is fine, however in some of the specs cases, the bigger issue is the way that they play, not necessarily their numbers). AP in general has been kinda sucky. The way it worked with the gear initially was counter intuitive with higher levels on your gear meaning you needed to grind more AP out to access the *SAME* traits you already had on a piece of gear (just because the new piece was a higher level, it locked everything on it behind a higher AP level and thus in order to use what you effectively already had, you had to level more - making it sucky to actually get gear early on - this has since been fixed).

    The essences currently i think were a step in the right direction but the system is quite alt unfriendly (i feel like they may address this, but they may not). And outside of doing the same half a dozen world quests in each zone each day, there's not really any reason to go to any places other than your main city.

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    I don't hate the expansion, I do have fun with the content. It's not my favourite, but it's still a game I like to play.
    That being said, things I am not happy about include the story, the approach to internal consistency, the 8.0 part of the azerite system and the aproach to flying; the rep farm feels a "bit too much", especially with the new factions (honored should be enough, by that time, the zone is explored and large portion of the zone story is finished).

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Koken View Post
    Numbers of reasons.

    All loot is RNG based. There is no definite way to progress your character. Everything you do in game has a chance of being progress. In theory you can play for a full week and not progress in any way. On top of gear being RNG you have warforged/titanforged and socket procs. This basically makes the game into a casino where you can proc heroic/mythic ilvl on simple world quests or low mythic plus, and even LFR. Even if you are a mythic raider you can get upgrades from LFR which is why you see so many high geared players in LFR, forced to re-play lower content to have a chance of progressing their character. And on top of that, bonus rolls.

    Pruning. Removal of class unique abilities. Basically all specs are kinda the same. Every class has atleast one stun, one silence, one escape, one self heal. Some classes have more utility while others have had their class unique abilities removed causing some imbalance in mythic plus meta.

    GCD. Global Cooldown. Many abilities has been put on GCD causing the gameplay to feel clunky and slow for some classes/specs.

    Grind. Azerite for neck ilvl. You basically have to do all the content you find boring in order to keep up your neck ilvl. They added essences in 8.2 which can improve the gameplay of the spec but some essences are so much better then others and they are locked behind content you might not like. F.e. the conflict and strife being locked to rated PVP.

    Mounts. All unique mounts are in the shop. Collectable mounts from in game are re-skins from previous mounts.


    People will argue that loot has always been RNG. But in previous expansions there has been currency for gear. F.e justice points and pvp vendors. You always progressed doing end game content. In Bfa you are nuked with gear but most of it is very bad.

    When you grind a full week of normal/heroic raid wihtout any loot and you do a mythic +10 and you open that chest on wednesday and its a piece of shit loot. That feeling is extremely bad. You are back to square one.

    People will argue that you receive titan residuum that you can buy gear with and that is true. However, that gear is also RNG based except for the specific mythic gear which is super expensive. They cost 200K. To put that in perspective you get 17K per week doing mythic plus 10. That is 3 months for one item. Also it's only azerite gear that is purchaseable. 3 out of 15 slots that you can somewhat progress towards.

    People will argue that you dont need 445 ilvl azerite parts. Well, the reason you want to buy specific mythic is not because of the ilvl, it is because you know that you get the azerite that you need.

    The thing is, in order for your spec to perform you need specific azerite traits. Yes you need them, the DPS difference between bad azerite traits and good is enormous. It literally makes or breaks the spec.


    It's not all bad though. I still play this thrash game. I do enjoy mythic plus a lot and doing old raids for transmogs is quite fun and when you have all the correct azerite traits and stats on your characters the gameplay is a lot better.
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  5. #85
    nothing is good lul except art

    story is shit
    gameplay is beyond shit
    new features are shit
    everything really... except art

  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by xzanle View Post
    Have not played since release month of legion and like all others came to check out classic. Now I have I wanna level in BFA on the side.

    But I have heard rumors BFA is a bad expansion but can not find any info on why this is. Can anyone explain.

    Follow up question as I have read a lot of comments. How solo friendly is wow now days. I like too level my toons, pvp and gold making on all my alts.
    Just elitist that did not complete anything in BFA are whining on forums.
    99.99% of the players just enjoys BFA and doesn't post crap on forums.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    Don't listen to rumors. Especially not for WoW.

    This vocal minority is never ever proposing how to improve game. They either mention what worked before and what they liked and serve it to you as "That is what will make WoW great again!" and that is not how things are working for benefit of the game. It is subjective perception of WoW, which is overall wrong perception.

    So, this very same vocal minority is going to say how BFA is bad expansion and this is how they do it (usually):

    1. Azerite traits are boring, BFA is bad expansion
    2. GCD is changed, BFA is bad expansion
    3. No new classes, BFA is bad expansion.

    So, looking at this, one can get to a conclusion that BFA is bad expansion.
    Do you think that this is a correct way to look at things and give a review for it? I think not.

    It is not the community that should work out the issues for Blizzard, we're not the developers.

    Pointing out flaws in the game is normal feedback. It's then Blizzards job to fix that (if they want).

    The problem is that Blizzard has been disconnected from the players for quite some while. The PvP scene has been asking for PvP vendors for ages but Blizzard for some unknown reason haven't listened.

    It's like Blizzard has their plans for the game and the community wants something else.
    You can talk for yourself, you might love everything with BFA and I understand some might do but you are not the majority dude. Sub counts has been dropping since Cata.

    This is normal customer behaviour. If you are not satisifed you are more likely to give feedback.

    Stop using that stupid line, "vocal minority". If you love everything about BFA you are infact the minority.

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    It feels like Legion again because the main features (world quests/mythic+) are the same as we did for 2 years in Legion. Better said, they are worse, because the world quests now give even less reputation making them more useless, and mythics start with fortified/tyrannical by default so it's brutal from start (talking about pre-BoD since that's when I left).

    The game isn't fun because it's boring and annoying for the main features, and the minor things (islands/warfronts) are terrible, or rather were, dunno now.

    Apart from this, the story sucks, the horde gets away with it yet again and the alliance is portrayed as the same old big blue idiot. I play alliance btw.

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    Story is shitty.
    PVP tbh never was good enoght.
    Island expeditions = crap. Its nothing more like scenarios...
    And the thing that i hate so much not in BfA but in most modern expansions. Old raids and things you have done have no matter. This gave little advantage on new patch start nothin else.

    Actually dungeons myth+ and raids are good and gave fun.
    Azerite is ok but weapons were just bad ass. If you compare legion weapons vs bfa armor its so obvious weapons wons.
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    You can't find any info on why? Lol, that was a rather poor attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Did you like Legion? You will probably like BfA. Did you not like Legion? You will probably not like BfA. Why do people rely on others to tell them what to think? Whether something is bad or good is going to depend on if you, personally, enjoy that thing.
    I liked legion, I don't like BfA, the story isn't on par, there are no new mechanics (No, Azerite gear isn't new, it's watered down artifact). It just feels like Legion 1.5, not much progress, and even regress in some places.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Did you like Legion? You will probably like BfA. Did you not like Legion? You will probably not like BfA. Why do people rely on others to tell them what to think? Whether something is bad or good is going to depend on if you, personally, enjoy that thing.
    Nonsense. Many people that liked legion think BfA is a step or 10 back in almost every single aspect.

  13. #93
    Gameplay is terrible and when gameplay sucks donkey balls, everything sucks.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    It's largely based on personal preference but what has generally been mentioned as bad:
    The Expansion's Story.
    Class Balance and Design.
    Azerite, it's equipment and Essences.
    Islands.
    War Campaign.
    Certain Raids.
    PvP.
    and Warfronts.
    So pretty much all features of the expansion have had issues.
    Actually I guess Dungeons and Mythic+ has been most fine apart from complaints about third party addons tied to it.
    this is so golden. It's indeed all the things critizised about bfs...but when you look at it:

    The Story - absolutely personal. Some ppl like romance some thriller...can't say the story is bad because its absolutely based on you

    Class Balance and Design, as in every expansion people are bitching about it. It's never done right and theres always a fraction who thinks that this xpac it'S gone to faar and the balance is absolutely broken (preferably the ppl who play specc that is currently not so strong)

    Azerite - other expansions we were bitching that tier sets were too powerful because we couldn't get them without raiding

    Islands - back in the day we had to do scenarios or dayli hcs to grind our weekly points, same time investment, kind of same content, same bitching

    War campaign, another story thing

    Certain Raids - as usual theres always bitching about a raid not beeing good as soon as my class is not performing well that tier

    pvp - come on...do i really have to say something about people bitching about pvp?

    Warfronts - in fact that's a new one and bitching about it'S implementation seems ok for me.

    Other than that bfa is absolutely the same as every other expansion. (Probably) the same people bitch about the same thing they have been bitching about for a decade now. We have the same grinds as always, same raids, same everything.... bitching just got a higher voice this time for the sake of social media

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    At the moment ? Nothing its like every other expansion, but WoW community is the most cancerous thing on earth hating on everything they touch.

  16. #96
    Coming to ask this question is a bad idea. People will jump at the chance to list all of their personal problems with the game and you'll get a very skewed outlook which is unnecessary. Just try it yourself and if you're having fun, keep playing.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by xzanle View Post
    Have not played since release month of legion and like all others came to check out classic. Now I have I wanna level in BFA on the side.

    But I have heard rumors BFA is a bad expansion but can not find any info on why this is. Can anyone explain.

    Follow up question as I have read a lot of comments. How solo friendly is wow now days. I like too level my toons, pvp and gold making on all my alts.
    Alot of people find the Classes are boring. Which people pointed out back in bfa alpha and they ignored at there cost.

    Some hate the story currently.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    But I think these are not mistakes, its how game is meant to play.
    These are not mutually exclusive concepts. The intent of how the game is meant to be played can still be greatly mistaken.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
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    Not much wrong, it's just a bit boring and stale. Even Classic is more fresh and interesting imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swatsonqt View Post
    this is so golden. It's indeed all the things critizised about bfs...but when you look at it:

    The Story - absolutely personal. Some ppl like romance some thriller...can't say the story is bad because its absolutely based on you

    Class Balance and Design, as in every expansion people are bitching about it. It's never done right and theres always a fraction who thinks that this xpac it'S gone to faar and the balance is absolutely broken (preferably the ppl who play specc that is currently not so strong)

    Azerite - other expansions we were bitching that tier sets were too powerful because we couldn't get them without raiding

    Islands - back in the day we had to do scenarios or dayli hcs to grind our weekly points, same time investment, kind of same content, same bitching

    War campaign, another story thing

    Certain Raids - as usual theres always bitching about a raid not beeing good as soon as my class is not performing well that tier

    pvp - come on...do i really have to say something about people bitching about pvp?

    Warfronts - in fact that's a new one and bitching about it'S implementation seems ok for me.

    Other than that bfa is absolutely the same as every other expansion. (Probably) the same people bitch about the same thing they have been bitching about for a decade now. We have the same grinds as always, same raids, same everything.... bitching just got a higher voice this time for the sake of social media
    Sadly, this is not true.

    Yes, a story CAN be OBJECTIVELY bad. If you take established characters like Rexxar and Voss and place them in storylines that 100% contradict what these charcters are FOR NO REASON...that is objectively bad. If you open up storylines that you KNOW will be important to players....and either don't finish them, pretend they never happened at all or finish them in the most lacklustre way possible...that is objectively bad. If you place little stories from 3 different timelines on the mission table and pretend they are part of the CURRENT story...that is objectively bad.

    While true that class balance has always been a matter of discussion in every expansion, if you did a poll right now and let players rate which spec is worse than in Legion, the same or better...you will probably arrive at a very shocking result. And no, this is NOT normal. Yes, some specs always suffer from an expansion change....but not most of them. To my knowledge, we never had an expansion where most specs got worse. BFA is the first to achieve that.

    Of all the possible progression systems we ever had in WoW - and there were many - Azerite is the most bland. Artifact at least gave you some new looks and active abilities at the start and expansions before Legon actually had something called gear progression instead of currency progression...but Azerite is littally all of the worst aspects of Artifacts just with the good aspects left out. And while immediate somebody will jump out of the woodworks and try to argue that it is much better since you only have to farm it once per character and not once per spec - which is true - the Azerite Gear you actually USE that Azerite on is still spec-locked...and now you do not have to collect a little AP to power up your off-spec weapon, no....you have to collect up to three different additional slots of gear. Is that an improvement? No. It's not.

    Islands are shit. They are maps full of trash that you run and AOE down on a timer. That is the fundamental nature of this "content"...tell me what could possibly be good about them? If even you agree that Warfronts are shit...how can you possibly defend Islands, which are plain worse, just shorter.

    Without vendors, PvP is arguably in the worst state it has ever been. For somebody who does not plan to PvP for months and just wants to try it out for fun, there are absolutely no rewards worth talking about. And litterally no planable rewards at all. How is that part of the game supposed to attract players? Answer: It is not.

    And no, there are MANY aspects in which BFA is not like other expansions. It is the first expansion to completely drop monster levels. Legion at least had "leveling zones" and "endgame zones"....BFA only has "zones". Three of them per faction, to be more precise, which is an all time low. For the first time EVER in WoW you do not gain a single new ability while leveling. NOT A SINGLE ONE. You only lose passives from Legion items and then you get weaker and weaker per level. And yes, you got weaker by leveling in previous expansions as well, but there were big power boosts during leveling like new talents or Artifact-Weapon stuff that you were looking forward to. BFA is the first expansion to have NONE of that.

    And there is more.

    Professions are bad (but not worse than Legion)
    Sharding+Phasing are worse than ever, because Warmode splits the playerbase up, creates extreme lag in some shards and turns the Nazjatar event into one of the biggest clown-shows in the history of WoW.
    The Mission-Table....apart from the actual missions being a mind-fuck like i already said, is just a terrible, half-assed system with no real purpose.

    M+ is worse than Legion. I will admit this one is more subjective, but affix-combos vary in difficulty far more than Legion, which makes some weeks a total pushover.....while the next week will push you over, with very little you can do about it. And since M+ is the only actually positively accepted content of the game right now, it's not great when the current week blows.
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