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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by tangers58 View Post
    ... have you played any blizzard game in the last 10 years? Cynicism is completely warranted. How many times do they have to straight up lie before you stop lapping up the piss?
    Tell me your completely original thoughts about EA, please.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by bullseyed View Post
    Queues and layers have nothing to do with each other. A server with 3 layers will never have a queue.

    Layers exist to prevent 20,000 people from stacking on the same quest mob at the same time to DC people or prevent them from clicking on it.

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    Layering was added to prevent the starting zones from being overrun when everyone logged on at the same time to do the starting quests. It makes sense that by the time you get to 60 and if there are only 4-5 other 60s on your server, you could all be in different layers and essentially have a whole zone to farm by yourself. This could result in those people farming lots of stuff relatively quickly.

    They could then log out and back in and have a 4/5 shot at getting put into a different layer and doing it all over again.

    The problem resolves automatically eventually as more people level up and/or quit.
    Layers reduce queue time, just like extra servers would if people would switch to them.
    Layers allow you to put 50K or 100K players on a realm, without having to later merge servers and all the troubles that involves when there is the expected 95% drop-off, leaving the realms theoretically with a social population target of 2,5-5K.
    It is stated you do not change layers by briefly logging out and back on. I do wonder what their strategy is wrt 'popular' (streamer) layers. Do they put people that logged out in those into a long queue or just put them in another layer that has room?

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Daish View Post
    this blue poster is ignorant or flat out lying about how the /who command works it can be used to see how many people exist in your layer and can be used to estimate how many layers exist

    on my server ive estimated about 10 different layers 50 is the max result for the /who command but you can include levels or class types to narrow the search and find the total population of each zone and compare it to how many exist within your own layer

    I don't know why you keep photoshopping. I just checked it myself and queries ``z-"Felwood" 1-60'' and ``Felwood 1-60'' return the same results. Stop spreading your propaganda.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by HuxNeva View Post
    Layers reduce queue time
    I'm sure you know more that Blizzard about their own IP.
    Snarky: Adjective - Any language that contains quips or comments containing sarcastic or satirical witticisms intended as blunt irony. Usually delivered in a manner that is somewhat abrupt and out of context and intended to stun and amuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    No.
    If I do a "/who teldrassil 1-6", I have above 50 results.
    If I do a "/who z-"teldrassil" 1-6", I have 35 results.

    By default, the /who is realm-wide. The /who z-"" is layer-by-layer.
    z- is for zone and it was in vanilla. Nothing to do with layers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reacher View Post
    I think it was mentioned in a blue post that once you are logged in and put in a layer, you won't leave that layer (or enter another) just by walking or changing zones. In order to change layers you'd have to get grouped with someone who is in another layer, or log out and then back in.
    You can change layers at loading screens as well... Boats, Zeps, and instance portals can cause a transfer.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by bullseyed View Post
    I'm sure you know more that Blizzard about their own IP.
    It might baffle you but for some of the more obvious things deductive reasoning is enough

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Chakah View Post
    z- is for zone and it was in vanilla. Nothing to do with layers.
    ...
    Did you actually bother to read and interpret what you read ? Because it certainly doesn't seem so. Maybe have a second look at the post and try to think ?

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by vsb View Post
    I don't know why you keep photoshopping. I just checked it myself and queries ``z-"Felwood" 1-60'' and ``Felwood 1-60'' return the same results. Stop spreading your propaganda.
    Then either: there isn't a layer, the layer you're on has more than 50 people capping the list, or blizzard stealth changed the display of the filter, because this was actually a thing.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Anuibus View Post
    Then either: there isn't a layer, the layer you're on has more than 50 people capping the list, or blizzard stealth changed the display of the filter, because this was actually a thing.
    It had around 17 people. May be my realm is already single-layer...

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by vsb View Post
    It had around 17 people. May be my realm is already single-layer...
    I've also noticed that both /whos now give the same results but I haven't tried to get layered off to check the difference yet. It's still possible that blizzard just broke the command itself.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Anuibus View Post
    I've also noticed that both /whos now give the same results but I haven't tried to get layered off to check the difference yet. It's still possible that blizzard just broke the command itself.
    That would be a good thing either way. Layering is bad as it is, and more automation makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    ...
    Did you actually bother to read and interpret what you read ? Because it certainly doesn't seem so. Maybe have a second look at the post and try to think ?
    I'm not going to bother to find you one from 2004/5, but here's proof you don't know what you are talking about.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...not-know-about

    Quote Originally Posted by mmocf0a8756358 View Post
    /who List players online
    /who [string[ string2...]] [num[-num2]] [r-"race"] [c-"class"] [z-"zone"] [g-"guild"]
    With no arguments, lists online players around your level in the current zone. string will list all players whose name, guild, class, race or zone contain the specified string. num[-num2] will list players within the specified level range.
    You implication that -z is a layer thing is completely wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    By default, the /who is realm-wide. The /who z-"" is layer-by-layer.
    This... This is wrong and you are going to confuse people.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by tratra View Post
    layering is an awful thing in classic, I absolutely hate empty citys and spots. I'd love to still be on the logging screen or 15 lvl instead of 45 than seeing the world so empty.
    I agree,given the amount of people playing classic iron forge should be packed with players chatting and hanging around like in vanilla but instead I see about 15 players in peak time uk,feels empty and it shouldn't.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Chakah View Post
    I'm not going to bother to find you one from 2004/5, but here's proof you don't know what you are talking about.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...not-know-about
    You're still missing the point.
    Which is :
    Quote Originally Posted by Chakah View Post
    This... This is wrong and you are going to confuse people.
    "/who X" always give a different and larger result than "/who z-"X" ", so I'm listening to what could cause this if not layer separation.
    Last edited by Akka; 2019-09-12 at 06:36 AM.

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