Remove Benthic GEAR Worst idea from WoW History

[Aphrel]

Farming on 2 chars no chance to get that Benthic gear for raiding... Really bad idea from Blizzard how can a 425ilvl item can be better than a 450item.
Really??

2-4 perls from algans.
10perls from pvp event.
6perls guaranteed from follower Qs.
an average of 8perls per day from wqs and camp Qs.

The total your going to need for your main for boots, gloves, belt and bracers (if ur a mage skip bracers) is 880 perls. Thats roughly 5 weeks of nazjatar daily chores spending max 1 hour/day in there.

Anecdotal casinomath: 1/6 for socket. 1/4 to 1/6 for item effects (assuming no weightings). resulting in an average of 30 gambles per slot. totaling in 600perls needed from your alt. Doable over about 4 weeks of playtime by spending 1 hour in nazjatar/day on that char aswell.

Estimated total time played for 4 items that are bettter than anything else availible ingame is thus 28+35 = 63hours spread out over 5 weeks time.
(this is not counting the occasional emissary wich can give 25perls aswell as any raremob that you might stumble upon. So in reality your probobly gonna be done faster and with less time spent.

[Alvito]

But I'm confused. Mythic raiders have been saying for ages that mythic raising isn't about loot, its about the challenge and overcoming it as a team. Now you are saying its about the loot. I'm so confused. What are the driving priorities of your raiding? Is it the challenge? Or is it so you can have pretty purple pixels that others can't have?

Well besides the obvious that the player base isn't 1 voice and mind. It isn't just about loot, but it sure is annoying when loot is off the table almost instantly. Do you raid or play the game at all? Do you enjoy doing content that has no rewards for you? Would you want to spend dozens of hours, potentially weeks or months working towards clears of a zone to never have the chance to get drops weeks at a time? Now I can speak for myself and say I am not driven primarily by loot, knowing that most bosses have absolutely nothing for you and your character isn't going to progress in strength at all for weeks at a time sure makes dealing with wipe nights or things like hitting Ashvane or Zaqul walls a whole hell of a lot harder.

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2-4 perls from algans.
10perls from pvp event.
6perls guaranteed from follower Qs.
an average of 8perls per day from wqs and camp Qs.

The total your going to need for your main for boots, gloves, belt and bracers (if ur a mage skip bracers) is 880 perls. Thats roughly 5 weeks of nazjatar daily chores spending max 1 hour/day in there.

Anecdotal casinomath: 1/6 for socket. 1/4 to 1/6 for item effects (assuming no weightings). resulting in an average of 30 gambles per slot. totaling in 600perls needed from your alt. Doable over about 4 weeks of playtime by spending 1 hour in nazjatar/day on that char aswell.

Estimated total time played for 4 items that are bettter than anything else availible ingame is thus 28+35 = 63hours spread out over 5 weeks time.
(this is not counting the occasional emissary wich can give 25perls aswell as any raremob that you might stumble upon. So in reality your probobly gonna be done faster and with less time spent.

There is no way in hell it is 63 hours of farming to get your benthic gear sorted out. Even if you didn't use an alt and got very unlucky fishing for a socket.

[glowpipe]

Banthic gear in itself aint a problem. Them being bis in raid is. Gear should have been for alts, not mains

[Blackmist]

The main problem with Benthic is sockets. Sockets are what propels a bit of interesting welfare loot above a 455 Mythic Warforged piece.

I like the idea of neat effects on items, they should have that in more places, and the ones dropping in raids should be better than ones from a crappy bit of farmable outdoor content..

[Kaver]

Players for literally years: We want upgradable gear back! That was such a good idea, so much better than this STUUUUUPID rng titanforging!
Blizzard: does exactly that

It’s not the same.

Some players asked to be able to upgrade the pieces they got from raids. But it is still based on gear that you collect in raids.

[toffmcsoft]

So you're telling us blizzard has found a way to screw up BFA even more?
Shocker!

Maybe it's time to put the trash in the can and move on from the crappy game.
You know, classic is out - maybe give that a try?

[Accendor]

Unless you're pushing cutting edge content or aiming for orange parses Benthic isn't make or break. You won't notice the 100-200 dps increase or decrease.

That is such a bullshit. If you are a mediocre mythic guild, the strong DPS gain from benthic gear is EXACTLY what you need to push through Ashvane. Imagine 10 players gaining 100 DPS per Piece (AVH) on 4 pieces. Thats 4000 Raid DPS, in that fight its literally make or break, even if you are not cutting edge.

And yes, people who are still working on Ashvane are indeed mythic raiders. And given that she is the fair bigger roadblock than the next boss...

P.S. Don't start with the "Just play better, then you don't need that gear", because as Method showed us: Thats always true, but then we do not need gear as a reward and form of progression ever.

Benthic gear was a complete stupid decision for so many reasons. I agree, it should not be removed now (because I also invested way too much time into this) but it should NEVER be repeated.

[Sim]

That is such a bullshit. If you are a mediocre mythic guild, the strong DPS gain from benthic gear is EXACTLY what you need to push through Ashvane. Imagine 10 players gaining 100 DPS per Piece (AVH) on 4 pieces. Thats 4000 Raid DPS, in that fight its literally make or break, even if you are not cutting edge.

There is no guarantee that those people would even see the gain of "100 dps". Like I said cutting edge content or orange parses. If they're below that then that means there are errors in their rotation which doesn't even mean they'd benefit all that much from Benthic Gear. Just slapping it on doesn't mean you're instantly benefiting from it, it like any other piece of gear means nothing if you're massively making mistakes.

[rrayy]

Basically its gear you get from WQs, rares, events, etc in Nazjatar and you can upgrade with a currency from ilvl 385 -> 425. It has unique item effects and bonuses that only work in Nazjatar and the Eternal Palace raid. It very powerful gear available outside of raiding but also extremely time-consuming to grind a single piece of benethic gear to 425 ilvl

It's actual intent was for players to catch up to be abre to do the current raid. Grinding for pearls to increase the gears Ilvl is pointless beyond that

[Sim]

It's actual intent was for players to catch up to be abre to do the current raid. Grinding for pearls to increase the gears Ilvl is pointless beyond that

People were complaining that they wanted a Gear Vendor and Upgradable Gear back. Badges or other currencies beyond that were instantly pointless as well, but they wanted to be able to grind it as well.

The point still stands Blizzard gave the players what they wanted and instantly the players complained about getting what they wanted as usual.

[Zephi5315]

Can someone explain this system to me? Haven't played 8.2 yet.

in 8.2, the mobs in Nazjatar (naga zone) can drop these manapearls (currency for the zone). spend pearls to get a piece of benthic gear with a random quirky effect, that can be upgraded (using manapearls).
such effects on the benthic items only work while in Nazjatar or the new raid, and include, but aren't limited to, the following:
Reduces fall damage taken.
Increases mount speed.
Increases damage dealt to abominations.
Heal for X after killing naga.

[rrayy]

People were complaining that they wanted a Gear Vendor and Upgradable Gear back. Badges or other currencies beyond that were instantly pointless as well, but they wanted to be able to grind it as well.

The point still stands Blizzard gave the players what they wanted and instantly the players complained about getting what they wanted as usual.

I get that and wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that the gear was mainly meant for catching up to enter the current raid and grinding beyond that was purely optional.

[Djuntas]

I love benthic gear, a total bless for alts. Im getting my alts boosted in freehold in 2 hours 110-120 (old legion alts, all classes) and in another 2 hours im 390 Ilvl ready to do lock-out farming and shit...bless.

[rrayy]

I love benthic gear, a total bless for alts. Im getting my alts boosted in freehold in 2 hours 110-120 (old legion alts, all classes) and in another 2 hours im 390 Ilvl ready to do lock-out farming and shit...bless.

Which was the main point of the gear to begin with. Thank you for the great illustration of the gears true purpose.

[Accendor]

There is no guarantee that those people would even see the gain of "100 dps". Like I said cutting edge content or orange parses. If they're below that then that means there are errors in their rotation which doesn't even mean they'd benefit all that much from Benthic Gear. Just slapping it on doesn't mean you're instantly benefiting from it, it like any other piece of gear means nothing if you're massively making mistakes.

I already answered your post in my post, but you just ignored that part, didn't you?

[lollerlaban]

Farming on 2 chars no chance to get that Benthic gear for raiding... Really bad idea from Blizzard how can a 425ilvl item can be better than a 450item.
Really??

The same reason a pair of gloves in the 40's are BiS for most classes throughout classic

[monkaW]

Players for literally years: We want upgradable gear back! That was such a good idea, so much better than this STUUUUUPID rng titanforging!
Blizzard: does exactly that

Do you honestly think buying token filled with random gear that need to proc the correct one and has RNG socket in it, not RNG?

People are so dumb these days it makes me lose faith in humanity.

[Tradu]

Players: We want Gear vendors back with a currency that we can buy it with.
Blizzard: Alright here you go
Players: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It's a bit more nuanced than that. It's vendor gear for a currency from world content only which gives gear that has special effects that make ilevel basically irrelevant and is superior to raid gear for raiding(but not superior to M+ gear for M+ or PvP gear for PvP, for some reason), and it can roll random sockets(which are dumb in general, but especially dumb on vendor gear). I like having vendor gear for a currency, I just think the execution is quite poor for the reasons listed before.

[FelPlague]

they should of allowed you to purchase the BoP armor for that character and the BoA version for alts at the vendor.
but they also should of stuck with MoP's class design and itemization and of had at least 10mil subs by now.
should doesn't mean will or does unfortunately.

Funny you say that cause the game lost subs in mop too, so i dont think just continuing mop would somehow make it raise to 10 mil.

[Tradu]

I get that and wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that the gear was mainly meant for catching up to enter the current raid and grinding beyond that was purely optional.

It's not optional if it's significantly better than raid gear and effectively guaranteed(because you can just do more characters to get more pearls if you're unlucky)

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The main problem with Benthic is sockets. Sockets are what propels a bit of interesting welfare loot above a 455 Mythic Warforged piece.

I like the idea of neat effects on items, they should have that in more places, and the ones dropping in raids should be better than ones from a crappy bit of farmable outdoor content..

Not really, even without sockets benthic gear is competing with or beating baseline mythic raid gear, because the effects are too powerful, completely free in terms of stat budget and raid gear doesn't get special effects(with a few exceptions, but even then they're typically part of the stat budget and/or fairly weak, unlike benthic)