[Game Thread]Democratic Presidential Debate September 12

[PACOX]

Third Democratic debate schedule:

Date: Thursday, September 12
Time: 8 to 11 p.m. ET
Location: Houston, Texas
Host: ABC and Univision (Disney)
Streams: ABC News, ABC News Live, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Hulu Live

Participants

Joe Biden, Former Vice President
Cory Booker, Senator (New Jersey)
Pete Buttigieg, Mayor (South Bend, Ind)
Julian Castro, Former HUD Secretary
Amy Klobuchar, Senator (Minn)
Beto O'Rourke, Former Texas Representative
Bernie Sanders, Senator (Vermont)
Elizabeth Warran, Senator (Mass)
Andrew Yang, Entrepreneur
Kamala Harris, Senator (Cali)

all participants have qualified for the fourth debate


Polls

• 30.1% for Biden
• 17.6% for Warren
• 16.9% for Sanders
• 6.7% for Harris
• 4.4% for Buttigieg
• 2.6% for Yang
• 2.4% for Booker
• 2.1% for O’Rourke
• 0.9% for Castro
• 0.9% for Klobuchar

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...tion-6730.html

Moderators:

George Stephanopoulos
David Muir
Linsey Davis
Jorge Ramos

The first debate since the number of participates has been nearly cut in half.



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Yang opening with $1k. I see you.

[Ghostpanther]

Good to hear Biden performed well.

[Kathandira]

Good to hear Biden performed well.

Yeah, I was especially pleased when he declared Bernie president ; )

[Ghostpanther]

Yeah, I was especially pleased when he declared Bernie president ; )

Lol. Did he make a slip and say that? I didn't watch it, so it may not be a opinion which is shared by a lot of democrats. I was mainly basing what I heard from Doug Shoen, former campaign manager for Bill Clinton.

[Kathandira]

Lol. Did he make a slip and say that? I didn't watch it, so it may not be a opinion which is shared by a lot of democrats. I was mainly basing what I heard from Doug Shoen, former campaign manager for Bill Clinton.

Yea, he slipped up and called Bernie, the President lol.

[Ghostpanther]

Yea, he slipped up and called Bernie, the President lol.

Lol! That is funny!!

[noidentity]

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nati...hreat-twitter/

Beto O’Rourke has already backed mandatory buybacks for assault weapons, but at Thursday’s Democratic debate, he left no ambiguity about what that would mean. “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” he said.

Less than an hour later, O’Rourke received what he described as a “death threat” from a fellow Texas politician. “My AR is ready for you Robert Francis,” Briscoe Cain, a Republican state representative from the Houston area, wrote on Twitter, using O’Rourke’s legal name.



Cain did not respond to multiple requests for comment about his message. But many read it as a clear threat of violence, and a spokeswoman for O’Rourke’s campaign told The Washington Post that staffers had reported the tweet to the FBI.

“This is a death threat, Representative,” O’Rourke wrote on Twitter. “Clearly, you shouldn’t own an AR-15 — and neither should anyone else.”

Cain shot back: “You’re a child Robert Francis."

Twitter also took action, removing the lawmaker’s tweet roughly two hours after it appeared. A spokesman told The Post that it violated the company’s terms of service, which prohibit violent threats.

Thousands responded to the tweet before it was taken down, and Cain engaged with some. Asked whether he had just threatened to shoot a presidential candidate and former member of Congress, he replied, “You’re an idiot.” When another critic told him they had saved a screen shot of his comments for the FBI, the lawmaker responded, “Cool bro.”

I get ratioed in the reg. Good summary though. Come and take it!

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Cain’s provocation came shortly after a moderator at Thursday night’s debate asked O’Rourke if his proposal to require assault rifle owners to sell their weapons to the government amounted to taking away people’s guns. As The Post’s Amy B Wang reported, the former Texas congressman didn’t flinch, saying that assault weapons such as AR-15s and AK-47s were developed for combat and use the kind of high-impact, high-velocity round that “shreds everything inside your body because it was designed to do that, so that you would bleed to death on a battlefield, not be able to get up and kill one of our soldiers.”

“When we see that being used against children,” he said, “hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.”

O’Rourke emphasized Friday morning that his buy-back plan was “not voluntary.”

“It is mandatory,” he told MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “It will be the law. You will be required to comply with the law.”

He said that, if enacted, he expected people would decide to comply with his new policy, because the government doesn’t typically “go door to door searching people’s homes to see if they’re in fact breaking the law.”

Since Aug. 3, when a gunman armed with an AK-style rifle killed 22 people at a Walmart in O’Rourke’s hometown of El Paso, the candidate has been an outspoken proponent of stricter gun-control measures, including mandatory buybacks. He had previously supported banning the sale of new AR-15 rifles but stopped short of advocating for taking existing guns out of circulation, telling talk radio station KFYO in 2018, “If you purchased that AR-15, if you own it, keep it, continue to use it responsibly.”

Since the mass shooting in El Paso, O’Rourke has been emphatic about what a mandatory buyback would mean. Asked by a reporter earlier this month if he could address fears that the government was going to take away people’s assault rifles, he replied, “That’s exactly what we’re going to do.” But his forceful “hell yes” on Thursday became one of the most memorable lines of the presidential debate. By the end of the night, it had turned into a slogan, appearing in red, white and blue letters on T-shirts sold on O’Rourke’s campaign website.

Ten democratic presidential candidates met at the Houston debate on Sept. 12 and discussed core issues particularly relevant to Texas. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
The proposal has widespread support among Democrats nationally — 74 percent support a mandatory buyback program, compared with 31 percent of Republicans, a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll found.

Cain’s assertion that his AR-15 was “ready” struck many as insensitive in light of the mass shootings that took place last month in El Paso and Odessa, Tex., where a gunman armed with an assault-style rifle killed seven and injured 22.

“In case you forgot, people were just killed in El Paso,” responded Mary E. Gonzales, a Democratic member of the Texas House. “People were murdered. The language you are using and the way you are using it is dangerous.”

Speaking to reporters after the debate, O’Rourke said that Cain’s comment “sure reads” like a death threat. “I think it’s a really irresponsible thing for him to do,” he added, “especially somebody who is a public servant and in a position of public trust to be sending that kind of message.”

Responding to Texas State Rep. Briscoe Cain saying "My AR is ready for you" @betoORourke says "I think it;s a really irresponsible thing for him to do... we are a nation of laws and if that (mandatory buyback) ends up becoming the law.. we expect people to comply w/ it" pic.twitter.com/Z5eUTMYTK2

— Tim Perry (@tperry518) September 13, 2019
Cain, an attorney, frequently uses his official social media accounts to air inflammatory and hyperbolic views. On Wednesday, for instance, he suggested on Twitter that the Texas legislature should “abolish” the famously liberal city of Austin.

First elected to the Texas legislature in 2016, Cain was ranked the most conservative lawmaker in the state’s House of Representatives the following year, and he also received the dubious distinction of appearing on Texas Monthly’s list of the 10 worst legislators in the state in 2017. Typically, the publication explained, freshman lawmakers are exempted from the list, but they cited Cain’s “uninformed and belligerent performance.”

An outspoken supporter of Second Amendment rights, Cain was kicked out of the Texas Democratic Party convention in 2018 after he showed up with what appeared to be a sidearm and began handing out fake yard signs that said, “This home is a gun-free safe space,” the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.

The paper noted that when students across the nation left class to protest gun violence in the wake of a mass shooting that killed 17 in Parkland, Fla., last year, Cain responded by introducing legislation that would temporarily revoke state funding from any Texas schools where similar walkouts took place.

David Hogg, a former Parkland student and co-founder of March for Our Lives, argued that Cain’s tweet proved the necessity of mandatory buybacks.

“If you threaten to kill a presidential candidate you should not have a gun,” he wrote.

Whelp, Briscoe Cain (member of the Texas House of Representatives) just threatened Beto O’Rourke on Twitter.

[Roxinius]

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nati...hreat-twitter/



Whelp, Briscoe Cain (member of the Texas House of Representatives) just threatened Beto O’Rourke on Twitter.

Beta O'Dork couldn't be any more 10 ply

[Masark]

Whelp, Briscoe Cain (member of the Texas House of Representatives) just threatened Beto O’Rourke on Twitter.

The story of Mr. Cain is rather interesting.

[Xeones]

So a republican politician publicly made a death threat against a candidate for president.

How stupid is this guy?

[Roxinius]

So a republican politician publicly made a death threat against a candidate for president.

How stupid is this guy?

is it really a death threat? or just some hyper sensitive pansy overreacting

[Xeones]

is it really a death threat? or just some hyper sensitive pansy overreacting

That is a death threat. There is literally no other way that can be taken.

[Roxinius]

That is a death threat. There is literally no other way that can be taken.

if you arent so easily butt hurt or triggered it can easily be taken another way

[Xeones]

if you arent so easily butt hurt or triggered it can easily be taken another way

That he is prepared to give his gun to Beto?

There is only two ways it can be taken and it doesn't seem he's willing to give it up, so that only leaves the other possibility.

[Blur4stuff]

If mandatory buyback was law then police would be enforcing it. So the rep is really implying he'd not only murder Beto, but any law enforcement that tried to enforce the law.

And here I thought republicans were all about police love and enforcement of law? At least that's what they keep saying regarding immigration.

[the game]

That he is prepared to give his gun to Beto?

There is only two ways it can be taken and it doesn't seem he's willing to give it up, so that only leaves the other possibility.

Maybe O'Rourke shouldn't try to infringe on people's second amendment rights. Cain said nothing about killing him though.

[PACOX]

Maybe O'Rourke shouldn't try to infringe on people's second amendment rights. Cain said nothing about killing him though.

As President it would be his job to enforce the 2nd Amendment as well as the safety of the country. If confiscating AR-15s does not contradict SCOTUS then he'd be doing his sworn duty.

[Ghostpanther]

As President it would be his job to enforce the 2nd Amendment as well as the safety of the country. If confiscating AR-15s does not contradict SCOTUS then he'd be doing his sworn duty.

It was a desperate attempt by O'Rourke to get attention. He will never be President however, so it does not mean anything but a toothless threat to lawful owners of AR-15's, Ak-47's. And even if he was to get a miracle and become President, he would need the democrats to not only hold onto the House, but gain control of the Senate. Then it would have to pass the legal challenges.

He was not very bright with his statement, but I will give him credit by being openly truthful about his intentions and he did say...."we". Many are taking this as a indication he would have many within the Democrat party, who would be on board for such. Warren was more tactful. She wants to slowly chip away at gun rights.

[Xeones]

Maybe O'Rourke shouldn't try to infringe on people's second amendment rights. Cain said nothing about killing him though.

You thinking he is infringing on the second amendment does not justify someone publicly making death threats to him.

[Roxinius]

You thinking he is infringing on the second amendment does not justify someone publicly making death threats to him.

its not thinking his idiotic statements if put into action are 100% an infringement on our rights